[WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes

[Jay Litwyn]

List-class articles are lowest on the scale of quality.
Going up in rank, it is "list, stub, start, b-class, good article, feature 
candidate, and once featured.
They are still useful for maintenance if you are, for instance, cribbing 
notability from lists of award-winners.
And even for users who are looking up something obscure, if their first hit 
is a disambig, then it is two clicks to a section. So, I am inclusionistic 
on this subject. It is all trivia. Wikipedia excels in trivia. Even the 
printed articles do not fit in twenty volumes, anymore; a few thousand, last 
time I read about it. I could just about go against notability in this 
thread, and I won't, because it is an important criterion for judging what 
should be easy to find and what should be be clear.

"Carcharoth" <carcharothwp at googlemail.com> wrote in message 
news:206791b10908200235y1a600386s14a383839e25e82a at mail.gmail.com...
OK. I'll break it down:

1) Do you accept that trivial disambiguations can be unencyclopedic?

Carcharoth

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:59 AM, <wjhonson at aol.com> wrote:
> I have no idea what you just ask. That's a lot of jargon for one
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> From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp at googlemail.com>
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:06 pm
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
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> Will, simple question: do you accept that trivial disambiguations can
> be unencyclopedic and give the wrong impression, and if so, is having
> a neutral dab hatlink better than a jarring note being sounded at the
> top of a page, the first thing the reader will read after the title?
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> OK, that was a long simple question...
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> Carcharoth
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> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM, <WJhonson at aol.com> wrote:
>> This is how I do it. If in "Plankton" we have only one other thing
> named
>> planton, then we shouldn't have a disamg page just for two items.
> That seems
>> overkill. So in that case SB_Plankton makes sense. If however in
> "Bob
>> Jones" we have 15 people, 3 things, and 2 places named "Bob Jones"
> then it
>> makes sense to have a disamg page.
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>> I.E. there's a trade-off in having too many clicks, where it is? two
>> items? or three?
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>> W.J
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>> In a message dated 8/19/2009 7:37:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> carcharothwp at googlemail.com writes:
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>>> If there really is a chance that
>>> people will search for "plankton" in an attempt to find out about the
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>>> SB character, then the hatnote should be neutral and direct people to
>>> a disambiguation page ("for other things named plankton, see here").
>>> And I don't care if that disambiguation page only has two entries.
>>> That is an acceptable trade-off to having a spongebob squarepants
>>> character name jarring people's reading experience by being placed at
>>> the top of an unrelated article.
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