[WikiEN-l] Harassment sites

[joshua.zelinsky at yale.edu]

Quoting Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net>:

>> On 10/24/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
>>> (Again, not making policy here, just engaging as an equal in a
>>> hopefully constructive discussion...)
>>>
>>> Steve Summit wrote:
>>> > At the risk of prolonging a discussion that's already rather
>>> > egregiously long in the tooth, what do people think about those? One
>>> of the larger objections to BADSITES and its resurrection
>>> > in WP:NPA#EL concerned the prohibition of links to attack sites even
>>> in talk and project spaces, even as part of sober discussion of the
>>> alleged personal attacks.  Is there still any sentiment to keep
>>> trying to ban those kinds of links?
>>>
>>> Yes, but we have to be careful and thoughtful.
>>>
>>> One thing I have seen recently is violations of No Personal Attacks
>>> through the posting of links to abusive websites.  I will make a
>>> hypothetical example.
>>>
>>> A problematic editor who has a history of trouble with others and the
>>> Arbcom responds to something perfectly appropriate said by a well
>>> known Wikipedia admin, in the following fashion.
>>>
>>> "Anyone who wants to understand what is going on here, should simply
>>> read [http://www.someattacksite.com/Admin_name.html this link]."
>>>
>>> I think statements like that are an "incorporation by reference" of
>>> the material contained on the attack site, and should be removed
>>> immediately (and probably the problematic editor blocked at that
>>> point).
>>>
>>> --Jimbo
>>>
>> Jimbo
>>
>> That seems like a clear violation of WP:NPA without use of badsites at
>> all.  I don't think anyone seriously disputes this.  I will say "Even
>> without anything resembling badsites, this is actionable under
>> WP:NPA".  Even if we, as a community, reject WP:BADSITES to the last
>> editor, this is still unacceptable per WP:NPA.  Doesn't matter.
>> Totally off topic.
>>
>> Cheers
>> WilyD
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Actually, no. It's not off topic. Harassment policy, to the extent it is
> valid, is based on No Personal Attacks.
>
> Fred
>

Fred, I think you are misintepreting what he said. The point was that even
without any BADSITES policy this sort of thing is so blatant that anyone would
consider it a personal attack. It is a blatant example of using the link to
make the attack.