[WikiEN-l] Harassment sites

[Wily D]

On 10/24/07, Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net> wrote:
> > On 10/24/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
> >> (Again, not making policy here, just engaging as an equal in a
> >> hopefully constructive discussion...)
> >>
> >> Steve Summit wrote:
> >> > At the risk of prolonging a discussion that's already rather
> >> > egregiously long in the tooth, what do people think about those? One
> >> of the larger objections to BADSITES and its resurrection
> >> > in WP:NPA#EL concerned the prohibition of links to attack sites even
> >> in talk and project spaces, even as part of sober discussion of the
> >> alleged personal attacks.  Is there still any sentiment to keep
> >> trying to ban those kinds of links?
> >>
> >> Yes, but we have to be careful and thoughtful.
> >>
> >> One thing I have seen recently is violations of No Personal Attacks
> >> through the posting of links to abusive websites.  I will make a
> >> hypothetical example.
> >>
> >> A problematic editor who has a history of trouble with others and the
> >> Arbcom responds to something perfectly appropriate said by a well
> >> known Wikipedia admin, in the following fashion.
> >>
> >> "Anyone who wants to understand what is going on here, should simply
> >> read [http://www.someattacksite.com/Admin_name.html this link]."
> >>
> >> I think statements like that are an "incorporation by reference" of
> >> the material contained on the attack site, and should be removed
> >> immediately (and probably the problematic editor blocked at that
> >> point).
> >>
> >> --Jimbo
> >>
> > Jimbo
> >
> > That seems like a clear violation of WP:NPA without use of badsites at
> > all.  I don't think anyone seriously disputes this.  I will say "Even
> > without anything resembling badsites, this is actionable under
> > WP:NPA".  Even if we, as a community, reject WP:BADSITES to the last
> > editor, this is still unacceptable per WP:NPA.  Doesn't matter.
> > Totally off topic.
> >
> > Cheers
> > WilyD
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
> Actually, no. It's not off topic. Harassment policy, to the extent it is
> valid, is based on No Personal Attacks.
>
> Fred
>
Fred

No, it isn't.  Harassment is already forbidden, by NPA.  Any BADSITES
proposal must necessarily be developed *only* to cover external
linking which is not harassment.  Anything else is either confusion or
strawman (but either way, off topic).

Cheers
WilyD