[WikiEN-l] The Statistical Decline of the English Wikipedia Community

[Robert Rohde]

Yes, refering to my work as "bullshit" and an "insult [to] our intelligence"
is unnecessarily rude.

Even if you disagree, I expect you to be civil about it.

If you dislike my analysis or observations, feel free to do your own.
Ideally, Wikimedia would provide their own comprehensive statistics, but
their analysis program hasn't been able to run on enwiki for about a year.

However, there is no sampling involved in analyzing Wikipedia's logged
actions (i.e. every logged action was used), and these likewise show
declines in account creation, article deletions, protections, blocking,
etc.  You may be entitled to your own interpretation, but you are not
entitled to a different set of facts.

-Robert

On 10/10/07, Steven Walling <steven.walling at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dismissal of your conclusions and evidence is not the same as rudeness. A
> little faith? Are you kidding me? Broad claims such as the ones you make
> are
> not something I take on faith, and in case you've forgotten, AGF doesn't
> apply to statistical data. You're the only person that I've seen to date
> suggest that involvement in en-wiki is waning.
>
> On 10/10/07, Robert Rohde <rarohde at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Quit being rude and have a little faith.
> >
> > I already explained it is a random sample higher up the thread.
> >
> > -Robert
> >
> > On 10/10/07, Steven Walling <steven.walling at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > My comment on the reliability isn't suggesting that sampling is
> > completely
> > > unreliable. But sampling with no comment on the selection method? That
> > > sounds like bullshit to me, and I'm not going to trust what is quite
> > > possibly an unreliable sample of whole. If you want to me to trust
> your
> > > stats, you need to provide more info than that.
> > >
> > > On 10/10/07, Robert Rohde <rarohde at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you like thinking about "events", cascading protection led to an
> > ~80%
> > > > drop in the protection rate for images.  (Though image protection is
> > > only
> > > > a
> > > > few percent of all protections).
> > > >
> > > > -Robert
> > > >
> > > > On 10/10/07, Andrew Gray <shimgray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/10/2007, Anthony <wikimail at inbox.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Here's a couple more events to consider: when was the captcha
> for
> > > > > > unregistered edits which add an external link added?  how about
> > the
> > > > > > captcha for new article creation?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It'd be interesting to make up a timeline of all the events we
> can
> > > > > > think of which might possibly affect these numbers, and then
> > attach
> > > > > > them to the chart.
> > > > >
> > > > > Semiprotection (could go either way); resolution of 550 (probably
> > > > > uptick in blocks *and* editing activity).
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > - Andrew Gray
> > > > > andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk
> > > > >
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