[WikiEN-l] WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NOR and WP:ATT

[Philippe Beaudette]

Jossi, 

We all appreciate that a great deal of work went into this.  The problem is, despite all those efforts, people still didn't know.  Jeff didn't know.  I didn't know.  I'm on wiki every day, and think of myself as fairly well informed.  I get Signpost.  I read VP as much as I possibly can.  But I don't read every arb case that's published - why would I?  Why would most of us,  ESPECIALLY non-admins (like myself)?

I can't tell you how many times I see people site V and NOR in discussions, and not once in ANY of those that I saw did anyone mention this.  That alone should tell you that there are well-informed editors that didn't know.

Also, your last paragraph ends with the words "that has not been disputed."  Actually, your premise has been disputed.  By Jimmy.

Philippe
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jossi Fresco 
  To: English Wikipedia 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NOR and WP:ATT



  On Mar 21, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Raymond wrote:

  > I'm in the process of trying to get [[Wikipedia:Article inclusion]]  
  > into
  > something worthwhile.  Will it work?  Damned if I know, but I'm  
  > trying.
  I am aware of Wikipedia:Article inclusion. Hope it gets somewhere.

  > But I also know that I need to make sure I touch as many people as
  > possible to get the consensus to make it what it will end up  
  > being.  I'm
  > not sure if that really happened w/ATT.

  These comments still puzzle me, Jeff. How can it be possible that you  
  missed it? It was referred to in recent ArbCom cases (e.g. Free  
  Republic); it was discussed *extensively* in the talk pages of V, NOR  
  and RS,  it was announced on the Village Pump...

  The point that keeps being lost in this discussion is that WP:ATT is  
  **not** a new policy or a new formulation of existing policy. WP:ATT  
  is an effort to consolidate V and NOR into one easy-to-understand  
  policy page, based on a need that has not been disputed.

  -- Jossi



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