[WikiEN-l] Fair use issues; we need serious help

Todd Allen toddmallen at gmail.com
Mon Jul 23 06:00:46 UTC 2007

Bryan Derksen wrote:
> geni wrote:
>> On 7/22/07, Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> Actually, those conditions seem pretty reasonable and in tune with
>>> existing policy to me. But it allows album covers, book covers, all
>>> manner of screenshot, exactly the sorts of things that have recently
>>> become subjects of contention. So I'm not sure where the conflict lies here.
>> Getting the 2-3 sentances to be about the media in question. Most
>> articles on albums do not talk about the album covers. Dito
>> bookcovers. Screenshots may be slightly better but still people tend
>> to include them without talking about them (for example the comment on
>> [[Image:Ebay-homepage.png]] appears to be 3 words).
> I think you may be interpreting things a little overly literally. The
> article is about eBay and the screenshot depicts what eBay "looks like"
> to the user. There's no need for the article to literally say "in the
> screenshot to the right, note the balanced use of color and perfectly
> straight lines used on the eBay homepage" in order to actually be
> discussing the subject of the image. The article on [[Jean-Luc Picard]]
> has a screen capture depicting the character but the article doesn't at
> any point have a section of text saying "in the screenshot at right,
> note how Captain Picard is bald and has a hawkish nose. The gleam of his
> scalp offsets the gleam of intelligence in his eye." The whole article
> is about the guy and that's a picture showing what he looks like.
> (As an aside, I picked this example at random on the assumption that
> there'd be a screenshot there and when I actually visited the article to
> double-check that I found that the image tagged for deletion both for
> lacking a source and for lacking a fair use rationale. In both cases,
> the missing information is REALLY FREAKIN' OBVIOUS. Once again a case
> where it was just as easy to slap deletion tags on as it was to provide
> the information that would solve the problem, and yet the deletion tags
> were used. This is not optimal to say the least.)
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Or it could be that someone besides you thinks that the fair-use is not
so "freakin' obvious" at all, and genuinely believes that the image
should be deleted.

But far easier to blame laziness than address a genuine difference of
opinion. I'll refrain from comment on the irony there aside from
pointing it out a bit...

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