[WikiEN-l] YouTube links

[jayjg]

Agree.

Jay.

On 1/4/07, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> The huge amount of copyright violations on youtube is only one factor.
> Per WP:EL we avoid external links to content which would belong inside
> an ideal Wikipedia.
>
> Many of the non-copyright violating informative videos should be
> inside wikipedia. It is worth out time to get free licensed releases
> of this materal so that we can assure that the content will remain
> perpetually free for all purposes and that articles will not be
> stripped of this useful information by powers outside of our control.
>
> Wikipedia is not a web directory... We didn't get where we are by
> simply linking to content elsewhere. Every non-copyright-violating
> youtube video is a chance to expand our community of contributors.
>
>
> On 1/4/07, Guy Chapman aka JzG <guy.chapman at spamcop.net> wrote:
> > A group of editors set off to remove links to YouTube, requiring that
> > before they went back in we clarified the copyright status and
> > encyclopaedic merit of the links. This met with some resistance. There
> > appear to be two camps now, which might be summed up as follows:
> >
> > * those who believe that YouTube links should go in unless you can
> > prove they are violating copyright
> >
> > * those who believe that YouTube links should stay out unless you can
> > prove they are ''not'' infringing copyright
> >
> > Guess which group I'm in. The argument rages at [[Wikipedia:External
> > links/Identifying copyrights in links]], [[Wikipedia talk:External
> > links/YouTube]], [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sir Nicholas de
> > Mimsy-Porpington]] and various other places. It's been moved out of
> > [[WP:EL]]/[[WT:EL]].  Latest from Berberio is this revert:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AExternal_links%2FIdentifying_copyrights_in_links&diff=98267778&oldid=98264236
> > with the summary: "Puts too much Burdon. For instance, we can assume
> > that the YouTube link on Adam Buxton's article is okay, since it's to
> > his own user account on youtube, no need for further licencing
> > information."  This case is already covered higher up, since we know
> > it was uploaded by the copyright holder, so is not actually relevant
> > to the clause under discussion.
> >
> > So the default-in version is:
> > * Does it have a clear statement that the content is hosted with
> > permission of the copyright holder or could it be rationally assumed
> > to be hosted with permission of the copyright holder? For example, it
> > is published with a user account known to be the copyright holders, or
> > published on their own website.
> >
> > and the default-out version is:
> > * Does it have a clear statement that the content is hosted with
> > permission of the copyright holder or can it be established to be
> > hosted with permission of the copyright holder?
> >
> > The problem I have is that assumptions are not really good enough if
> > push comes to shove.  [[WP:COPYRIGHT]] makes it clear that
> > ''knowingly'' linking to infringing material is contributory
> > infringement (also that linking to copyvios makes us look bad). Given
> > that many YouTube vids are copyvios, we can be argued to *nkow* that
> > violation is likely, and looking the other way and whistling
> > innocently does not seem to me to be exercising due diligence.  I
> > don't think it's excesive to require people to clarify copyright
> > before adding, but there is this committed group who are insistent
> > that the default should be the other way round. More input required, I
> > think.
> >
> > Guy (JzG)
> > --
> > http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG
> >
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