[WikiEN-l] Fwd: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by JPGordon

Sun Feb 18 14:18:32 UTC 2007

I did not send "8 messages in a row." I sent updates, when new developments
happened.

I see that the "moderation" system put them in all at once, and I got eight
"your comment is being moderated" notices at once.

Since you obviously do not care about systemic abuse, feel free to just not
read my emails.

On 2/17/07, Gwern Branwen <gwern0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please do not send *8* messages in a row. If you must write so much,
> consider consolidating messages into, I don't know, something less than
> a power of 2?
>
> Incredibly rude to other readers of wikien-l. I hope you get put on
> moderation for this; maybe then you will learn the difference between
> uses and abuses of email.
>
> "Samuel L Bronkowitz" <countpointercount at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > One of the abusive editors who was involved in the false accusations has
> now
> > decided he has the right to remove unblock requests from my talk page.
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACountPointercount&diff=108663911&oldid=108662520
> >
> > This is beyond abusive by him, but as I am seeing from the treatment I
> am
> > receiving, too typical of how wikipedians behave.
> >
> > "Thanks" for nothing but the abuse you have now heaped upon me.
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Samuel L Bronkowitz <countpointercount at gmail.com>
> > Date: Feb 16, 2007 1:08 PM
> > Subject: Fwd: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by
> JPGordon
> > To: wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >
> > One final update: Yamla, who I note has a long history of
> rubber-stamping
> > abusive blocks, has done so on my request for unblock.
> >
> > I must consider this systematic abuse by administrators at this point.
> >
> > I will consider my options carefully, but you have done nothing to prove
> to
> > me that Wikipedia is worth any contribution any more. You have likely
> lost
> > the contribution of a 3+ year veteran, and I will probably start going
> in
> > and removing articles I have previously contributed. You have no right
> to
> > them any more.
> >
> > "Thank you" for nothing but abuse. It has really shown me what Wikipedia
> is
> > about and how worthless it is.
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Samuel L Bronkowitz <countpointercount at gmail.com>
> > Date: Feb 16, 2007 12:49 PM
> > Subject: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by JPGordon
> > To: wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >
> > The bad "discussion closed" code has now been placed around the new
> > discussion: one ReyBrujo "restored" the template to the wrong discussion
> > thread due to the hyperactive bot which removed still-ongoing threads
> from
> > the page.
> >
> > This is a big problem, people trying to close off discussions relevant
> to
> > Wikipedia and to the actions of Wikipedian editors and administrators
> > without answering the concerns being addressed.
> >
> > I have no idea whether my questions are actually reaching the list,
> either.
> > This is most disconcerting.
> >
> > I am requesting an answer, but having received none, and having now seen
> how
> > Wikipedia's administrators are more than content to let abuse of this
> sort
> > go on with no answer, I am 90% certain that I will be leaving Wikipedia.
> I
> > will not make things worse or vandalize articles, but I cannot say that
> the
> > thought of doing so did not cross my mind. As I travel quite
> extensively, it
> > would be very easy for me to acquire a new IP address every time that I
> go
> > somewhere and damage Wikipedia a little bit just for the fun of doing
> so,
> > since constructive editing and the right to defend myself against basely
> > false accusations are being denied me.
> >
> > Since I have apparently not had any of your time, I shall not thank you
> for
> > it in this missive any more.
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Samuel L Bronkowitz <countpointercount at gmail.com>
> > Date: Feb 16, 2007 12:26 PM
> > Subject: Fwd: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by
> JPGordon
> > To: wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >
> > This has also had the unintended effect of SERIOUSLY messing up the
> page, as
> > it appears every thread below it is "archived" due to the bad coding
> left
> > behind on the out-of-process closed discussion from earlier as well.
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Samuel L Bronkowitz < countpointercount at gmail.com>
> > Date: Feb 16, 2007 12:24 PM
> > Subject: Fwd: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by
> JPGordon
> > To: wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >
> > Additional issue:
> >
> > It appears someone's bot is doing damage, removing threads that are not
> > remotely irrelevant:
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=108652761&oldid=108652596
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Samuel L Bronkowitz <countpointercount at gmail.com>
> > Date: Feb 16, 2007 12:22 PM
> > Subject: Fwd: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by
> JPGordon
> > To: wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >
> > I am filing one more update. I do not know if any of these will get
> through,
> > but I am trying my best.
> >
> > I have filed a request for Unblock as noted in the blocking notes page:
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACountPointercount&diff=108652004&oldid=108617558
> >
> > I also must note that, now that I am blocked, there is constant posting
> of
> > libelous statements about me to the earlier discussions. It seems that
> now
> > that JKelly has abusively blocked me, a large number of people wish to
> > ingratiate themselves somehow by piling on.
> >
> > It saddens me that this is the atmosphere of wikipedia. I may very well
> > simply leave, for this is showing me a bad side I had not seen before,
> and
> > Wikipedia is fast becoming something I do not wish to be a part of if
> this
> > is the true feeling and mentality of the editors here.
> >
> > In sincerity,
> > Thank you for your time.
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Samuel L Bronkowitz < countpointercount at gmail.com>
> > Date: Feb 16, 2007 12:05 PM
> > Subject: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by JPGordon
> > To: wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >
> > I wish to update my earlier message; the two users who filed this
> CheckUser
> > request are now spending quite a bit of time making false charges at me
> at
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#How_RunedChozo_was_and_should_be_handled,anda third has jumped in who is just making accusations over and
> > over.
> >
> > I find this highly unfair, as I have no relation to any of this or the
> pages
> > in question beyond my stated opinion that administrator and editor
> > misbehavior has occurred and that the case's resolution was not
> conducted in
> > proper respect for policy and civility.
> >
> > User JKelly has now acted on these false accusations and banned me from
> > editing, as well as defacing my user page with a Scarlet Letter
> harassment
> > token.
> >
> > You can see my edit history for yourself. I have not done anything bad
> to
> > warrant this kind of abuse, yet I have received it from multiple users
> and
> > at least one trigger-happy administrator now, as well as one
> administrator
> > willing to completely misrepresent CheckUser results.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/CountPointercount
> >
> > This comment was left, but I'm now unable to respond in my own defense
> > thanks to the abuse by JKelly.
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=108647990&oldid=108647687
> >
> > This is blatantly unfair practice. Since JKelly and other abusive
> > administrators and editors are more than willing to behave in this
> manner, I
> > have no choice but to come here for redress.
> >
> > Thank you for your time.
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Samuel L Bronkowitz < countpointercount at gmail.com>
> > Date: Feb 16, 2007 9:48 AM
> > Subject: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by JPGordon
> > To: wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've been editing Wikipedia for quite a while, but decided to make an
> > account recently and signed up. I continued my normal editing (mostly
> typo
> > and fixes on random articles, which seems to be a way to find a lot of
> your
> > mistakes) but noticed a problem on the Administrators' Noticeboard and
> left
> > my opinion there.
> >
> > A user included me in a CheckUser for speaking up on the issue. They
> accused
> > the user PSPMario, who seems to have edited only on the Playstation 3
> and
> > Playstation Portable articles, of being a sockpuppet of someone after he
> > reported two users he suspected of being a sockpuppet.
> >
> > I find it a very bad precedent to immediately accuse someone of being a
> > sockpuppet, for trying to report a potential problem themselves. I find
> this
> > equally problematic to say that "identical additions of info" happen
> when we
> > give users the tools in difference comparison to easily copy content
> from an
> > earlier edit to a later edit. PSPMario says he was replacing something
> he
> > saw that was missing when he returned to the page, and I believe him,
> > because there is no reason for me not to believe him.
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#I_think_I_see_a_sockpuppet
> >
> > The result of the Checkuser came back as "likely."
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/RunedChozo
> >
> > I am not sure what this means. I know I am no sockpuppet, and given the
> > writing style of PSPMario, I am reasonably certain he is not a
> sockpuppet
> > either.
> >
> > I do not know when we started using weasel words for CheckUser, which
> ought
> > to be a yes or no answer, but this sets a very bad precedent for abuse
> of
> > the CheckUser system. Additionally, we have users trying to get everyone
> > they can blocked, no matter what their edits or edit history, based on
> the
> > results of weasel-worded RFCU postings.
> >
> > This situation is a detriment to Wikipedia.
> >
> > Thank you for your time.
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> Gwern
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