[WikiEN-l] When Websites Attack
Daniel R. Tobias
dan at tobias.name
Sun Aug 26 13:22:29 UTC 2007
The last few days have seen a profusion of invocations of the alleged
policy against linking to so-called "attack sites", with a variety of
targets. If this were being done by trolls trying to discredit the
policy by making it look silly (as has often been alleged by its
supporters when some ridiculous case or other comes up in that
regard), they'd be doing a very good job in their trolling, but it
seems like everybody involved in these recent cases is actually
totally serious. There's no need for trolling to make the policy
look silly... the supporters of the policy do a perfectly fine job of
it themselves.
Recent cases:
* Anti-pedophile site Perverted Justice set up a redirect based on
HTTP referrers so that anybody following links to any page in their
site from Wikipedia get redirected to a criticism page that blasts
Wikipedia for not cracking down on pedophile editors. This made the
whole thing an "attack site" according to some who seem to think that
anything that has anything critical to say about Wikipedia is an
"attack" that must not be linked to. The ultimate consensus was to
make references to pages in that site non-live as links as a
practical means of dealing with the forced redirect, but not to
suppress all reference to the site itself (which has an article on
Wikipedia due to notability). Jimbo Wales even chimed in himself in
the AN/I debate on this, saying "[WP:BADSITES]] is a rejected policy,
as it should be. There is of course a noble concept behind it, and it
is my belief that a more carefully formulated restricted version of
the policy could in fact pass muster." He went on to call for being
thoughtful about what one links to, and mindful of the hurt it might
cause, but that we also need to be mindful of debatable criticisms of
Wikipedia even if we feel them to be invalid.
* On the heels of this, with Jimbo's notes still present on AN/I, a
thread opened up to discuss alleged sockpuppetry by SlimVirgin. The
actual actions were fairly minor and a couple of years old, so this
was perhaps "no big deal" as her supporters said... but, as with many
scandals, the things that were done later to cover it up (such as
oversighting many of the edits in question) were of greater concern
than the original act. Anyway, since a reasonably respected admin
opened the thread, it didn't get immediately suppressed as "trolling"
as attempts to criticize such well-connected editors as Slim usually
are; but her clique *did* invoke the anti-attack-sites policy to try
to suppress a link to crucial evidence in this case, because it was
in a site run by a banned attacker. The ultimate compromise was for
somebody else to copy the evidence in question to another site that
we *could* link to... and that site in turn included a link to the
other "attack" site where it credited the source of the information,
so it was just one more click away, but that seemed to placate the
"no links to attack sites ever" crowd anyway.
* While this was still in full swing, the next big BADSITES flap was
already under way. Controversial filmmaker Michael Moore decided he
didn't like how a Wikipedia editor, who also was a notable right-wing
commentator out in the "real world", was editing pages related to
Moore and his films. That Wikipedian, who until recently edited
under his real name and openly disclosed his occupation,
affiliations, and outside publications, suddenly decided not long ago
that he wanted to be retroactively anonymous, so he changed his
username and insisted that all the various policies protecting
editors against "outing" apply now. Moore, not being a Wikipedian,
didn't feel these rules had any application to him off-wiki, so he
put on the front page of his official Web site a piece mentioning the
guy by name and calling attention to his Wikipedia activity. This
led to frantic activity whereby some editors were insisting that
michaelmoore.com is now an Attack Site and must be delinked
everywhere (including on the [[Michael Moore]] article itself), and
others opposing this as just plain silly. Somebody involved in the
debate claimed to be friends with a producer of The Colbert Report
and to have talked with them about mentioning this flap, so it just
might turn up on that show (which likes to make fun of both Wikipedia
and Michael Moore, so might not resist a story involving both).
* And, finally (for now), a renewed attempt is being made to get
Teresa Nielsen Hayden's blog, Making Light, declared to be an attack
site (something that was tried, and failed the laugh test, a few
months ago). This time, it's alleged that the blog published
antisemitic remarks against a Wikipedia editor, though I haven't been
able to find a trace of this myself when I look at it.
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