[WikiEN-l] The Second Rape: Victim-Blaming (was Re: Self-sensorship, how far should it go?)

[Stephen Park]

If we've come to the conclusion that Jayjg's time here has come to a
close and that his continued presence harms wikipedia's reputation
perhaps a community ban would be in order?

SP

On 8/2/07, Joshua Brady <somitho at gmail.com> wrote:
> Guys/Gals/Others,
>
> This has turned into a free-for-all attack fest on SlimVirgin's
> handling of things, and Jayjg's just being on the project. Let's try
> to remember not to launch into personal attacks and remain calm, if
> you seem like you are going to explode and can't take it anymore;
> please back away from the computer, and do not post in the heat of
> things.
>
> We have all established:
> - SlimVirgin's handling could have been better/worse/should be
> oversighted/should not have been oversighted/we need to hire ninjas to
> settle this/her MI6 handler is ready to wage a nuclear war James Bond
> style.
> - Jayjg's time here has come to a close and he should give it up or go
> into hiding. Let's all remember we can not by consensus or forcing it
> down someones throat, make them leave the project. If and only if
> Jayjg himself decides to leave, he will leave. Removal of bits or
> asking him to give them up, only gets old. If you want to involuntarly
> take tools away from someone, first get a consensus to even make that
> possible, then put the specific user up for removal of tools. English
> wikipedia does not have a method of doing this currently.
> -Other people saying 'we' really mean to say 'I'.
> - That online harassment can evolve into a real life danger, something
> one person has already confirmed, and something I can attest to as
> well.
> - Trying to run between terminals at tokyo, with only 30 minutes to do
> so, will undoubtly result in a missed flight and forced delay as you
> are put on another flight.
>
> Can we try to move on and stop harping on this, and discuss a real
> solution for a change? What do we want to do/what are we going to do
> about this? What can/will we do to stop this in the future?
>
> -Josh
>
> On 8/2/07, Joshua Brady <somitho at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 8/2/07, jayjg <jayjg99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 8/2/07, Steve Summit <scs at eskimo.com> wrote:
> > > > Jayjg wrote:
> > > > > O.K. Explain exactly how *I* was involved in the "response to
> > > > > discussion attempts on-wiki". As far as I can tell, my total
> > > > > involvement consisted of overwriting one comment on SV's talk page.
> > > >
> > > > Which I (perhaps inappropriately) pointed out.  But if you're not
> > > > involved, then why have you posted 34 messages to this thread?
> > >
> > > I don't understand the question. If I post to the thread, then I
> > > suddenly become "involved". Does that mean everyone who posted to this
> > > thread is now "involved", and should leave Wikipedia?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Apparently that one action was enough to generate both huge amounts
> > > > > of "drama"...
> > > >
> > > > The drama that's present in this thread is indeed symptomatic of
> > > > the problem this thread purports to be about.
> > >
> > > Which is why, of course, I suggested that we stop talking about it. If
> > > the drama is actually all in this thread, then people shouldn't have
> > > started it, and shouldn't be continuing it.
> > >
> > > > It's obvious to everyone but you
> > >
> > > Please don't presume to speak for "everyone"; I've had off-wiki
> > > communications from others who say they have no idea what this is all
> > > about.
> > >
> > > > but: nobody's talking about you
> > > > just because of that one action.  Your involvement is not due to
> > > > having removed (rather sneakily, I might add) one user's question
> > > > from SlimVirgin's talk page recently, but rather, your consistent
> > > > advocacy of the practice of doing so.  (Among other things.)
> > >
> > > Huh? I've consistently "advocated" the "practice" of removing stuff
> > > from SV's talk page? Where have I done this? And you think I should
> > > leave Wikipedia because you disagree with opinions that you apparently
> > > have invented for me?
> > >
> > > I simply am not understanding any of this, as it doesn't appear to
> > > accord with any reality I am familiar with.
> > >
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