[WikiEN-l] Parker Peters's comments

Parker Peters onmywayoutster at gmail.com
Fri Oct 6 19:44:26 UTC 2006

We were shown one the other day.

You dismissed the person who brought it up, and that killed the discussion.
That didn't sit well with me at all. Killing the messenger is never

I passed another to Jimbo directly and as far as I know he's looking at it
or at least agrees the circumstances are troubling.

Now, never have I said that "admins are an evil abusive cabal." There are
plenty who think they are doing the right thing. There are plenty that just
have a Bad Day now and then. I'm sure there are plenty I've not noticed who
probably don't disobey the rules.

However, those who have a Bad Day need to be censured for it if they don't
apologize promptly. We need to correct the bad behavior, not justify it with
excuses. We need to stop letting the problem ones, even if they are only a
problem for a day before relatively regaining their senses, get away with


On 10/6/06, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 06/10/06, Andrew Gray <shimgray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Proposal: Arbcom states it is willing to desysop people on petition. X
> > many admins, in a set time frame, are willing to sign their names to
> > "This guy keeps doing X and Y and bringing the project into disrepute
> > by so doing"? He's gone, and he can RFA if he wants the bit back.
> > (Arbcom would have the power to say "go away" to frivolous complaints,
> > of course)
> > This proposal is based on the key, and possibly fallacious, assumption
> > that 90% of admins are sane sensible quiet people who know Acting Like
> > A Tosser when it's pointed out to them. (Restricting it to admins
> > isn't meant to be some kind of elegant blackball system for overriding
> > RFA, just to get some guaranteed sanity involved...)
> Given recent conflicts on the wiki, particularly the surprisingly
> nasty one on RFAr right now, I doubt it would *guarantee* sanity. It
> might be something.
> But ... I'm still waiting for anything resembling verifiable evidence
> that there are clear targets for such a process. That is to say:
> evidence diffs of problematic behaviour, not just ranting on the
> mailing list that admins are an evil abusive cabal.
> - d.
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