[WikiEN-l] Parker Peters's comments

[Parker Peters]

Mgm,

I could agree with that. I think that maybe there ought to be multiple
grades of admin, who have specific abilities. Part of the problem right now
is that so many admins wield what might as well be "absolute power" when
compared to a normal user.

For instance, why not have a "first grade" admin who have the power only to
semiprotect articles (to protect from systemic anon-ip/newuser vandalism),
not to lock talk pages at all (including user talk pages) and to impose
blocks up to 48 hours but no longer? Make them ask for help if they see
anything that needs anything longer or appears to be a problem?

You could have a lot more of those less-powerful admins handling many of the
issues without worry about whether they went nuts, because even if they went
nuts, there's be a lot less permanent damage they could do.

Parker



On 10/6/06, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Some adminship requests get opposed because the user aren't familiar in a
> specific field of administrator work. If we could specifically give people
> the tools they have the knowledge for, more requests would succeed.
> Perhaps
> it's time to run that plan to give people separate admin tools.
>
> Mgm
>
>
> On 10/6/06, daniwo59 at aol.com <daniwo59 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Originally, I planned to answer Parker Peters's email. I wanted to say
> > something, at least, but I didn't want it to be trite. I didn't want to
> > defend
> > some admin actions while agreeing with him about others. There will be
> > (have
> > been?) plenty of people to do that. In the end, all of that is
> irrelevant,
> > because it is his perception of the problem that really matters, not
> > whether the
> > problem is truly relevant in particular instance X or Z. It is a
> > macro-issue,
> > and it deserves macro-answers, or alternately, macro-changing in
> > our  thinking.
> >
> > I think the real issue can be boiled down to a single statement:
> > "Wikipedia
> > is big ... really, really big." As of yesterday, Alexa ranks us the
> number
> > 12
> > website in the world, and we are still climbing. In English alone, we
> have
> > close  to 1.5 million articles and 6 million total pages. We have over
> 2.4
> > million users and close to 600 thousand images. I don't know how  many
> > edits we
> > are getting per day, per hour, per second, but I can  only assume that
> it
> > is a
> > very substantial number.
> >
> > No single person, or even small group of people, can tend to something
> > this
> > big, or even familiarize themselves with all its nooks and crannies. Yet
> > we
> > have  to. That is the challenge.
> >
> > There are 1,015 people with admin powers, and for various reasons it is
> > assumed that the burden of responsibility lies with them (it really
> > doesn't,
> > since it should rest on the entire community, but that is a different
> > story). Of
> > these thousand or so people, some are more active than others. Some can
> be
> > found  patrolling the projects every hour of every day, while others pop
> > in for a
> > few  minutes every few months, and still others are gone for good.
> >
> > As such, the burden is overwhelming. There is so much to do, so much
> that
> > needs tending, but we've grown faster than our admnistrative structure,
> > and the
> > fissures are beginning to show. By piling on the load, it is only
> natural
> > that  admins (and here I mean people who perform admin tasks, whether
> they
> > are
> > admins  or not) begin to feel frustrated and burn out. It is especially
> > onerous
> > when  every action is going to be viewed by people who will challenge
> > it--and
> > the  admin--any way they can. Do you risk making all the rapid decisions
> > that
> > need to  be made, one after the other, even if it means that some bad
> > decisions will  inevitably be made? Do you risk maintaining old
> > procedures, which once
> > worked  quite well but are starting to buckle under the weight, or do
> you
> > experiment  with something new and untested? If there is to be change,
> > what are
> > the  priorities? If there is to be discussion about change, at what
> point
> > do we
> > end  the talking and decide to act?
> >
> > These are some of the real issues that Parker Peters is raising. Note
> that
> > they are dilemmas, and the nature of a dilemma is that there is no right
> > answer,  except perhaps from the safety of hindsight. And yet, decisions
> > have to be
> > made.
> >
> > Danny
> >
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