[WikiEN-l] Unblock request

Fri May 19 09:19:03 UTC 2006

hi MacGyver. I wrote the section. Someone else added a request for 
citations, and i provided them. I didn't delete any citiations,I deleted the 
citations an put the references in their place

and for the jews against zionism - there was no reason given why it is not a 
good source other than that it was  "propoganda", which is subjective.. The 
talmudic oaths are part of the talmud and the jews against zionism page 
referenced just quotes the talmud. Surely this cannot be classified as 
'propoganda'.

And if i broke the 3R rule by reverting 3 times and adding something another 
time, then fine. but surely this carries just a 24 hour ban, not indefinate.

I appreciate that zionism is a 'hot topic', but that surely should mean 
being as fair as possible to the contributors, not imposing an extremely 
harsh ban for reasons with little or no substance.

Also Jayjg suggested i had broken copy right rules and used this as one of 
the reasons. I cannot find any examples, perhaps you can have a look.

thanks saladin1970

>From: "MacGyverMagic/Mgm" <macgyvermagic at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
>To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Unblock request
>Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:08:41 +0200
>
>I only did a cursory glance, but what I've seen totally justifies a block.
>Edits like
>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53838640#The_three_talmudic_Oathsare
>clearly problematic. You remove sources and add a citation needed
>template in its place or replace existing sources with links to a website
>with obvious POV issues. And a whole section with a scholarly reference
>turned into a disputed tag.
>
>In
>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53731767 
>you
>also try to link to http://zionism-realenemyofthejews.com
>
>Multiple people have explained why you can't use this as a source and in
>response you say they vandalise wikipedia when it's you who remove sources
>to get it in.
>
>Your contributions show the following edits:
>  10:41, 18 May 2006
>(hist<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history>)
>(diff<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53838640>)
>Zionism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism> (rv to previous page. the
>references provide all the information given)
>10:06, 18 May 2006
>(hist<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history>)
>(diff<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53835919>)
>Zionism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism> (rv to previous page - the
>three oaths are totally relevant -unless you can come up with a good reason
>it stays)
>06:41, 18 May 2006
>(hist<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history>)
>(diff<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53819450>)
>Zionism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism> (added three oaths section,)
>19:26, 17 May 2006
>(hist<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history>)
>(diff<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53731767>)
>Zionism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism> (removed pov further reading
>and added a factual reference)
>
>That's 4 reverts in about 15 hours, clearly a 3RR violation. All on the 
>same
>username, your IP has nothing to do with that.
>Mgm
>
>
>On 5/19/06, abu hamza <abuhamza1970 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > my wiki name is saladin1970. I joined just 3 days but find myself 
>banned.
> >
> > i was banned by Jayjg . He cited the following reasons
> >
> > 1) 3RR rule
> > 2) No useful edits
> > 3) Copyright violoations
> > 4) attacks on talk pages
> >
> > They all seem very serious. yet when we look into each of the reasons,
> > they
> > really have no substance.
> >
> > 1) I have two pc's one is shared at work - hence the same ip address and
> > editor
> > the othe is my home pc. I only reverted 3 times, as did my collegue at
> > work.
> >
> > 2) I have made many contributions, including a section on moors in the
> > spanish inquisition, additions to the islam in china section, background
> > info on harold shipman and contributions to alan harts page and zionism
> > page, and turkic.
> >
> > 3) There have been NO copyright violations. Every post was referenced to 
>a
> > website or to a book. All of whom allow references to as part of their
> > copyright. So there was NO copy right violation
> >
> > 4) there were no personal attacks on talk pages. The worst that could be
> > said was that i called someone a 'zionist'.
> >
> > Clearly there is something more to this than the above, as these at best
> > are
> > minor violations that would carry warnings.
> >
> > however I contend that this blocking falls under the "not advised to 
>block
> > rule".
> >
> > my posts in the zionism forum have illicited strong responses . 
>Including
> > the person that banned me jayjg.  These posts included
> > a) a section on the talmudic three oaths - which is the reason behind
> > orthodox jews who oppose political zionism.  This was reverted many 
>times
> > by
> > jayjg amongst others
> >
> > also i added a further reading section book entitled "zionism the enemy 
>of
> > the jews by alan hart",
> > who was a itv corrospondent during the 80's. His book is well researched
> > 'historical and political' of the lead up to the creation of israel.
> >
> > Given that Jayjg was part of this debate, i can see no other reason for 
>my
> > ban (as the reasons given are spurious) other than to eliminate a user 
>who
> > has a different view of zionism.
> >
> > for this reason i am asking a moderator to look at the material posted 
>by
> > me, and make a fair decisions as to whether i should be banned
> > indefinately
> > thanks saladin
> >
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