[WikiEN-l] Introducing a new mailing list

[The Cunctator]

I'm sorry you think I was being intimidating. My goal is certainly not to
shame those who participate in trying to reduce bias into no longer doing
so.

On 12/6/06, Puppy <puppy at killerchihuahua.com> wrote:
>
> I found his statements well considered and well written. I did not read
> it that he was chastising anyone who had not, indeed, demonstrated the
> very bias and intimidation which has led to this discussion. The only
> "tone" I saw was not turning a blind eye to the hostile actions of
> others - and this, more than anything else, can help to shame those who
> participate in such activities into no longer doing so - and the problem
> goes away - which is, after all, the ultimate goal is it not?
>
> -kc-
>
> Kat Walsh wrote:
> > On 12/6/06, Phil Sandifer <Snowspinner at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Allow me to briefly put my gender privilege to good use
> >>
> >
> > I wish that you had. Instead, some of your antagonism and rhetoric
> > were only pouring gasoline on the discussion, and your
> > characterization of the positions taken by those you've singled out
> > seems at best mistaken. Casting those you see as your opponents in an
> > unfairly negative light damages your own side and your own
> > credibility.
> >
> > The question of whether a single-sex list is 1) needed and 2)
> > appropriate for Wikimedia to host is a valid one. For discussion by
> > everyone. Its existence does *not* affect only the women; it affects
> > the whole community. (Those women who would at the present time like
> > to discuss the issue in a more private forum can do so -- and have
> > done so.) So I would like to hear discussion from everyone it affects,
> > including you -- but if you're not going to raise the tone of that
> > open discussion, don't join it. Which applies to everyone, including
> > several others in the many spawned threads, but particularly those who
> > would otherwise claim to value respectful discourse and consideration
> > of others' needs.
> >
> > -Kat
> >
> > --
> > "I am not a pretty girl / that is not what I do / I ain't no damsel in
> > distress / and I don't need to be rescued / so put me down punk" - Ani
> > DiFranco, "Not A Pretty Girl"
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