[WikiEN-l] Re: Becoming more encyclopedia-like: 1: Encephalon's comments

[MacGyverMagic/Mgm]

Perhaps that's true, but there seems to be a general disagreement when
something is verifiable, original research or NPOV to begin with. I
consider a minor band that doesn't pass WP:MUSIC as vanity which is
essentially a sort of POV that says, I'm important enough for an
encyclopedia even though I haven't released any singles or albums yet.
Others claim, as noted, that they're verifiable, non-original research
and NPOV because the article doesn't promote them. I think the mere
fact of putting something on a high-profile site as Wikipedia could be
seen as an attempt of promotion. -

On 10/1/05, Daniel P. B. Smith <dpbsmith at verizon.net> wrote:
> > From: Alphax <alphasigmax at gmail.com>
> > Inclusionists and Deletionists are playing what they think is a
> > zero-sum
> > game. It's WORSE than that: the mere presence of their mindless
> > ranting
> > is actually HURTING Wikipedia. By arguing over what should be
> > kept/deleted, we lose information. We lose readers. We lose editors.
> >
> > The solution:
> >
> > Become more encylopedia-like.
> >
> > For just about every value of X, where the number of total X is
> > sufficiently large, we can make more logical and more comprehensive
> > articles by MERGING the bits of information we have (which on their
> > own,
> > are perma-stubs) into more comprehensive articles on the topic.
> >
> > In doing so, we play a BETTER than zero-sum game. We build articles
> > that
> > a "traditional" encyclopedia would be jealous of. We HELP Wikipedia by
> > having articles that both retain information and look professional.
>
> I'd like to call attention to some remarks by Encephalon. I hesitate
> to do this because of the context that they're in, and I hope he/she
> will work them up into a standalone essay, but nevertheless. Take a
> look in
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/
> Lingnan_Primary_School
>
> near the bottom, the portion that begins:
>
> Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. That is the very first thing you read
> under Key Policies (WP:RULES), the main page of the essential rules
> that govern this encyclopedia. It is the very first thing that you
> read in the fundamental five pillars (WP:5P). The fundamental
> requirements of encyclopedia writing are enshrined in the basic,
> fundamental tenets of its policies. WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV are each
> and all fundamental rules that we may not ignore as we please...
>
> ...and the subsequent discussion, and this _very interesting_ comment:
>
> "I am using the criteria all of us should use: the principles central
> to writing encyclopedic articles on WP. Pages which violate those
> policies should be removed, whether they've been on WP for 3 weeks or
> 3 years, whether they pertain to the United States or to sub-Saharan
> Africa. Likewise, pages that are written in accordance with such
> principles should be kept, no matter how obscure or unknown to WPns
> at large."
>
>
>
> --
> Daniel P. B. Smith, dpbsmith at verizon.net
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