[WikiEN-l] Attempts to ban me by Raul654, Zero and Simonides

[Phil Sandifer]

At the risk of feeding the trolls.

1. Raul did not say you made an ad hominem attack. He said that your 
defense was ad hominem - that is, you were defending yourself by 
criticizing your accusers, instead of by engaging the evidence in any 
way.

2. Raul did not refuse to look at evidence. He asked you to present him 
with evidence. "Read this talk page" is not evidence. Evidence would be 
a link to a specific problem edit.

3. I'm not sure why you just found out today when Raul left a message 
on your talk page on the 6th, especially since it's not as though you 
weren't around between now and then.

That said, if this case has been going since August 1st, why didn't 
anyone leave a note on RK's talk page until  a month into the case?

-Snowspinner

On Sep 19, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Robert wrote:

> I just found out today that there was a formal arbitration
> case against me, yet I had no idea such a case was going
> on. It is grossly improper to do this without me being part
> of it.
>
> The arbitrator of this case against me, Raul654, refuses to
> read any of the Talk sections of the articles in question,
> and is accepting without question charges against me made
> by Zero, Simonides and a handful of others.
>
> Raul654 was unaware that Simonides was himself nearly
> banned for his non-stop damage of several Wikipedia
> articles. Simonides launched into abusive polemics against
> nearly everyone on the [[Philosophy]] and [[Anti-Semitism]]
> articles. (Many people are upset with the way that
> Simonides's kept hurling ad homenim attacks at so many
> people, so many times.) Since I was one of the many people
> who did not allow him to unilaterally rewrite all of our
> articles to match his own peculiar POV, he tried to ban me.
>
> When I merely asked the arbitator, Raul654, to check on
> this, he refused to do so, and shockingly accused me of
> making an ad homenim attack. That is just too much. It
> seemed a clear indication that the facts do not matter to
> him, the history of the people in question do not matter,
> and that he is just going to try and get me banned
> regardless. That alone is reason to recuse him from his
> role.
>
> The case with Zero is both puzzling and disappointing. We
> rarely have any conflict. Zero does have a great deal of
> anger, and I am sure that he is a sockpuppet for another
> user. So what did I do? Fight?  No. Argue?  No.  I instead
> did the following:
>
> * I requested that in the one area we have a significant
> difference, we mediate (i.e. the [[Israel Shahak]]
> article.) For whatever reason, nothing occured.  For this I
> should be banned?
>
> * I've thanked Zero a number of times for good suggestions
> he has made.
>
> * As for many other articles that we could have had
> disagreements on (relating to the Arab-Israeli wars), I
> unilaterally removed nearly all of those articles from my
> Watchlist!   I let him have his way on over a dozen
> articles, no matter how I may disagree. I did this of my
> own accord; if this is not a sign of compromise and good
> faith, then nothing is.
>
> What was Raul654's response to learning this?  He accused
> me of making ad homenim attacks!  Such a response is
> indicative of imparital hostility to me.  Raul654 makes it
> clear, further, that Jimbo is supporting these efforts to
> ban me, which is news to me!  (Simonides is claiming that
> Jimbo is on his side, which Raul654 unquestioningly
> accepts.)
>
> At this point, I have to formally make a request for
> arbitration against Raul654, Zero and Simonides. Given the
> way that I am being harassed and threatened, I don't see
> much option. But isn't this a huge waste of time? For the
> good of Wikipedia, and to save everybody's time so we can
> actually work on articles, please stop this nonsense.  It
> is hard to move forward when two people get an arbitator to
> bring progress to a halt based on their personal animosity.
>
>
> In distress at this time-wasting nonsense,
>
> Robert (RK
>
>
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