[WikiEN-l] Re: Corporate sponsorship of Wikipedia

[Anthere]

Delirium wrote:
> Anthere wrote:
> 
>> Delirium wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Pellegrini wrote:
>>>
>>>> Note, Angela asked me emphatically to make sure you fight it out 
>>>> there and not on the mailing list. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Ugh... it's nearly impossible to carry on a lengthy conversation on 
>>> the wiki.  Mailing lists are a lot better: I can organize subthreads, 
>>> keep posts I find particularly interesting for later reference and 
>>> delete others, and so on.  Can't do any of that on a wiki unless you 
>>> make a private copy of the discussion page and edit it yourself, and 
>>> then keep your copy in sync with the original, which is a gigantic mess.
>>
>>
>>
>> well, this is very unfortunate for you, because Angela and I will 
>> strongly favor use of multilingual meta over mailing lists.
> 
> 
> And I, and quite a few others, will continue to favor the opposite.  
> Posting stuff on the wiki is great; having actual discussion on it is 
> tedious and nearly impossible to keep track of past a low volume of posts.

I keep basically NO track of what is written on the english wikipedia. 
It is tedious and basically impossible for me to track.

But this is also true for several mailing lists as well. For example, I 
do not keep track of the tech list, and do not read it for a few 
messages whose topic attract me. I also do not read entirely the en ml 
either.

I recommand that people attract my attention by telling me things 
directly, or on meta, if they want me to hear it. I just cant follow 
dozen of mailing list all the time. I am not wonderwoman.

It is far easier for me to follow discussion according to a topic mode, 
such as on meta.

> I do think we've had a vote on this on en:, which also contained about 
> five pages of arguments back and forth on both sides, as it came up on 
> the Village Pump about 5 or 6 separate times, but I can't seem to find 
> where it got moved to.  Links, anyone?

I do not represent english users only, but users of any language. 
Corporate donation is not english restricted topic at all; it concerns 
all languages. Hence it does not have to be on the english wikipedia.

> I really don't see why anyone would want to use such a terrible 
> discussion medium though.  Discussion media in the 1980s on bulletin 
> boards at least supported threading and filtering; can't we at least use 
> something as technologically advanced as 1980?  If it must be a 
> web-based system (despite the fact that email is better-suited to 
> textual discussion), there are several software packages that support 
> fully-threaded discussions, included Slashcode (used on slashdot.org) 
> and Scoop (used on kuro5hin.org).  The latter even keeps track of unread 
> messages, a feature that is absolutely necessary to follow large-scale 
> discussions.
> 
> -Mark

Well, we prefer. It is much easier for both of us to work with. Meta 
content is gfdl, and we can refactor propositions so that we can see 
more easily where the consensus is. And we can find information back.