[WikiEN-l] Re: A Friendly Challenge to Sheldon Rampton

[Anthere]

> And I'd make a distinction (philosophically
> questionable, but we're
> trying to get work done here 'on the ground')
> between complying with
> laws that are _copyright_ restrictions versus
> complying with laws that
> are _censorship_.  In that case, I have to insist
> that we not worry
> too much wether NPOV articles might be illegal in
> some other
> countries.  Individual contributors should do what
> they need to do to
> stay out of jail, of course.
> 
> For example, there was a brief controversy about
> whether certain types
> of articles about racism might be illegal in France.
>  I don't really
> care, although I certainly encourage our French
> wikipedians to do what
> they need to do to obey the law in their own
> country.
> 
> On the other hand, most of the censorship laws in
> Europe don't really
> impact NPOV articles anyway.  In France, it's
> illegal to insult the
> President.  But insulting people is not NPOV anyway,
> so there's really
> no conflict.
> 
> --Jimbo
> 
> Article on French censorship:
>
http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/0,7495,900093,00.html

Dear Jimbo,


If I read you well, you are first saying that making
"illegal" to insult someone is "censorship".

I disagree. I don't call that censorship,but
"civilization". We are perfectly allowed to say
publicly that we agree with our president, or disagree
with him, for such and such reason. So, we are not
censored. However, we can have problems with justice
when we say someone is an asshole. Or a worm. But in
truth, what does exactly mean ? What is more
important, using fact to support our claim that we
disagree, or saying someone is a worm ? Where's the
censorship here ? Btw, this does not apply only to our
president.

You are also saying that "insulting people is not NPOV
anyway"; I don't understand why. If the claim is
substanciated, and attributed; where is the POV that
we need to take of ? Say, if we state that someone
stabbed a politician for being gay, and later explain
to the police he did because because the politician
"est un pédé". That's an insult, but that's a fair
account of what was said, by who, to who, about who.
How can it be not NPOV ?


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