[teampractices] A tool for keeping action items accountable?

[Sarah R]

As FYI, our Wikimedia Team Trello account is sunsetting on May 2. If there
are folks who want to see it live on, please let me know before that
date... :-)


On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Max Binder <mbinder at wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying your visceral fear. :)
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Bryan Davis <bd808 at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Max Binder <mbinder at wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Bryan Davis <bd808 at wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Max Binder <mbinder at wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> > Someone suggested Trello, since it is lightweight and connects with
>> >> > automation tools like IFTTT. There is concern about using another
>> >> > Phab-like
>> >> > tool, that isn't Phab, at the same time as Phab.
>> >>
>> >> Please, please, please don't bring back use of the Trello zombie. I
>> >> also don't understand at all how Trello is more "light weight" than
>> >> Phab.
>> >
>> > Yea, I think some folks simply prefer one tool to another based on
>> personal
>> > comfort. I don't necessarily have a problem with folks using outside
>> tools
>> > if it makes them more productive, so long as it doesn't
>> >
>> > alienate the team
>> > alienate the volunteers
>> > cause confusion by having multiple sources of truth (especially across
>> > tools)
>> >
>> > Ultimately, the problem I initially posed is probably best solved by
>> > personal accountability. If you like post-its on your wall, great.
>> Notepad
>> > you can cross out? Sure! Trello board for personal tasks? Have at it.
>> The
>> > issue that remains, however, is other folks seeing those to-dos...
>>
>> For personal todo lists I agree that people should use whatever works
>> for them. My (probably uncalled for) anti-Trello outburst was based on
>> the assumption that you were looking for a standard tool and workflow
>> for a WMF team or teams. We picked Phabricator to replace Bugzilla at
>> least in part on the promise that it was a more flexible tool that
>> could replace the ever growing proliferation of task tracking systems
>> that the Foundation was acreeting as each team made personal choices
>> on how to manage their work. This caused a lot of pain for anyone who
>> worked on multiple teams or was just trying to keep track of issues
>> that crossed from team to team.
>>
>> A team using Trello to track retrospective commitments is probably no
>> worse than the current state I would expect of them being bullet
>> points in a google doc somewhere. My visceral fear is that it would be
>> a gateway drug for some teams however to slide back into tracking real
>> projects outside of Phabricator.
>>
>> Bryan
>> --
>> Bryan Davis              Wikimedia Foundation    <bd808 at wikimedia.org>
>> [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]]  Sr Software Engineer            Boise, ID USA
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Sarah R. Rodlund
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