<div dir="ltr">As FYI, our Wikimedia Team Trello account is sunsetting on May 2. If there are folks who want to see it live on, please let me know before that date... :-)<div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Max Binder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mbinder@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">mbinder@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks for clarifying your visceral fear. :)<br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Bryan Davis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bd808@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">bd808@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Max Binder <<a href="mailto:mbinder@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">mbinder@wikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Bryan Davis <<a href="mailto:bd808@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">bd808@wikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Max Binder <<a href="mailto:mbinder@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">mbinder@wikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Someone suggested Trello, since it is lightweight and connects with<br>
>> > automation tools like IFTTT. There is concern about using another<br>
>> > Phab-like<br>
>> > tool, that isn't Phab, at the same time as Phab.<br>
>><br>
>> Please, please, please don't bring back use of the Trello zombie. I<br>
>> also don't understand at all how Trello is more "light weight" than<br>
>> Phab.<br>
><br>
> Yea, I think some folks simply prefer one tool to another based on personal<br>
> comfort. I don't necessarily have a problem with folks using outside tools<br>
> if it makes them more productive, so long as it doesn't<br>
><br>
> alienate the team<br>
> alienate the volunteers<br>
> cause confusion by having multiple sources of truth (especially across<br>
> tools)<br>
><br>
> Ultimately, the problem I initially posed is probably best solved by<br>
> personal accountability. If you like post-its on your wall, great. Notepad<br>
> you can cross out? Sure! Trello board for personal tasks? Have at it. The<br>
> issue that remains, however, is other folks seeing those to-dos...<br>
<br>
</span>For personal todo lists I agree that people should use whatever works<br>
for them. My (probably uncalled for) anti-Trello outburst was based on<br>
the assumption that you were looking for a standard tool and workflow<br>
for a WMF team or teams. We picked Phabricator to replace Bugzilla at<br>
least in part on the promise that it was a more flexible tool that<br>
could replace the ever growing proliferation of task tracking systems<br>
that the Foundation was acreeting as each team made personal choices<br>
on how to manage their work. This caused a lot of pain for anyone who<br>
worked on multiple teams or was just trying to keep track of issues<br>
that crossed from team to team.<br>
<br>
A team using Trello to track retrospective commitments is probably no<br>
worse than the current state I would expect of them being bullet<br>
points in a google doc somewhere. My visceral fear is that it would be<br>
a gateway drug for some teams however to slide back into tracking real<br>
projects outside of Phabricator.<br>
<div><div><br>
Bryan<br>
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