[Labs-l] Labs privacy policy questions

[Pine W]

Zhou,

Sounds good. Thanks for the update!

Pine
On Apr 23, 2016 22:20, "Zhou Zhou" <zzhou at wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi Pine,
>
> The publication of the initial round of community consultations for a
> revised Labs Terms of Use probably will go out in a couple of weeks (I am
> getting it reviewed right now internally). We will of course notify this
> mailing list once that happens.
>
> As for the Wikimetrics' privacy practices, I have reviewed them and I
> believe the issue is mainly a messaging problem (As you noted earlier, the
> privacy disclaimer on that project might be confusing.). We are currently
> surveying all WMF projects hosted on Labs since I do not think we have
> always aligned our practices consistently across our Labs projects. Once
> that is done, we will have a better idea of whether we should create
> different messaging or a different privacy policy that will be uniquely
> applicable to all WMF created Labs projects. I think it would be better to
> have this consistency rather than creating anything just for Wikimetrics
> right now.  This process might take some time so it is hard for me give an
> estimate right now but I hope to have it done by the end of next month.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> Best,
>
> Zhou
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Zhou,
>>
>> When might we be able to see drafts of privacy policy updates for Labs
>> and Wikimetrics?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pine
>> On Mar 15, 2016 13:30, "Zhou Zhou" <zzhou at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pine,
>>>
>>> Thank you for bringing this up.
>>>
>>> By interstitial, I assume you are referring to the privacy policy blurb
>>> that appears here <https://metrics.wmflabs.org/policy> (and also as
>>> noted on the Labs TOU).
>>>
>>> The interstitial is there to provide notice to end users of WMF Labs
>>> projects that the projects are (usually) not developed and controlled by
>>> WMF but by individual members of our community. As such, the disclaimer
>>> warns users that the standard WMF TOU/privacy policy are no longer
>>> applicable and empowers users to make educated decision about how others
>>> might use their data.
>>>
>>> Having said that, I understand there might be concerns on the way we
>>> present this issue to the end user in the interstitial. We will look into
>>> how we can better direct lab developers to draft a clearer privacy policy.
>>> If you have specific suggestions in clarifications you would like to see,
>>> please send them my way. We will also look into incorporating into the next
>>> draft of the Labs TOU your point about real-world consequences for misuse
>>> of data.
>>>
>>> With respect to Wikimetrics, we also plan on modifying its privacy
>>> policy to address your concerns and clarify on how the data is being used
>>> instead of relying on the standard interstitial.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Zhou
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Michelle Paulson <
>>> mpaulson at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [+Zhou as he is handling Labs TOU issues (but he and I will coordinate
>>>> offline on privacy aspects of proposed changes as needed)]
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From this conversation, I'm having trouble figuring out why
>>>>> Wikimetrics would have that interstitial on it. Amanda, do you know why
>>>>> that interstital is there?
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking generally, I would like to suggest to Michelle that
>>>>> clarification on the interstitial warnings and in the Labs TOU would be
>>>>> helpful, as well as an amendment to the Labs TOU that outlines real-world
>>>>> possibilities for legal consequences for mishandling or misuse of private
>>>>> data that's obtained in Labs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pine
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Zhou Zhou
>>> Legal Counsel
>>> Wikimedia Foundation
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>>
>
>
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>
> Zhou Zhou
> Legal Counsel
> Wikimedia Foundation
> 149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor
> San Francisco, CA 94105
> zzhou at wikimedia.org
>
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