[Labs-l] Wikimedia tool framework (php)

[Hay (Husky)]

I agree that it would be awesome to have a 'standard' way of doing
stuff on tools, but IMO it's one of those things that sounds wonderful
in theory, but is extremely difficult to accomplish in practice.

Actually, the #1 thing that would help us move forward is not a
standard framework, but better documentation. The attempts at
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs are nice, but far
from complete and novice-friendly, and they assume you already know a
lot about both Linux system administration and the Wikimedia setup.

Anyway, FWIW, the way i setup my tools is pretty forkable, and could
be used for those who want to have some inspiration on how to setup
their own stuff:

https://github.com/hay/wiki-tools

-- Hay

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Magog The Ogre <magog.the.ogre at gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, if anyone needs Peachy help, feel free to send me a private email if
> you don't want to bother the list. I'm pretty familiar with it by now.
>
>
> On Monday, December 8, 2014, Magog The Ogre <magog.the.ogre at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> For what it's worth, I've used Peachy extensively and found it good for
>> some functions, but lacking in many others.
>>
>> Also, is it even supported anymore? I've had to write numerous custom
>> updates to the framework as the Mediawiki interface changed or to support my
>> own needs (e.g., proper handling for the dreaded HTTP 503 code which
>> Mediawiki sometimes returns). I'm not sure the framework would even work
>> anymore without updates. (I can provide more examples after I get home)
>>
>> On Monday, December 8, 2014, Petr Bena <benapetr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK,
>>>
>>> I have some issues with it though. For example I can't find any decent
>>> documentation. How would I for example, create a simple styled index
>>> page that would contain OAuth login form? Is there some HTML generator
>>> class that would help me construct it?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Maximilian Doerr
>>> <maximilian.doerr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Peachy works for both.
>>> >
>>> > Cyberpower678
>>> > English Wikipedia Account Creation Team
>>> > Mailing List Moderator
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 11:04, Petr Bena <benapetr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > That is interesting, but I am not talking about a bot framework, but a
>>> > tool framework. eg. something that would be like a set of classes
>>> > which would contain functions to handle everything that tool (not bot)
>>> > developers needs, from html page generating to API, local db etc. So,
>>> > I think this would be something else than "Peachy" thing.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Bruce Myers <bruce at brucemyers.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Check out Peachy.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 14-12-08 10:30 AM, Petr Bena wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > It's been some time since we launched tool labs and there is
>>> > incredible number of tools now. They all however have 2 major
>>> > problems. Every tool has own, different layout / css style (which may
>>> > be confusing the users of these tools) and every developer of these
>>> > tools probably have to reinvent a wheel at some point as they all have
>>> > to do some common tool setup - eg. they have to create some basic php
>>> > skeleton that would access wikimedia resources, from databases,
>>> > memcache, reddis to API's and so on.
>>> >
>>> > What about creating some common uniform framework in php that, just as
>>> > pywikipediabot that is used to create bots, would be used to create
>>> > web-based tools. So that maintainer of a tool would just fork or clone
>>> > this framework and wouldn't have to spend their time creating
>>> > functions that would generate html pages with wikimedia uniform style
>>> > (similar to how vector looks, for example, or just any uniform style,
>>> > so that tools would look similar), access wikimedia databases, OAuth,
>>> > ldap, API...
>>> >
>>> > I believe it would not just make creation of new tools incredibly
>>> > simple, but it would also make all tools have consistent look and
>>> > feel, and thus improve the end user experience. What you think? Is
>>> > there someone who would like to work on that?
>>> >
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