[Labs-l] Discussion needed: Technically feasible, legally okay... but want tools do we want?

[Jan Ainali]

That is what I am trying to get forward here. If we are going to say that
we listen to the concerns, why not adress them at the same time?
Implementing a policy only answers the first of your two examples, because
we are still going to track the users edits, timestamps and what have you
and store the data, easy for anyone to fetch and dig into.

But if changes in what we actually track is off the table (is it?), well
perhaps it is better to have a discussions on other solutions. What would
they be happy with?

Personally I find it to be an awesome tool and during our last wiki meetup,
with eight editors, all were fascinated by it.

On a related note, there seem to be a bit of surprise in their statements.
Are people not aware that all contributions are tracked, stored and
publicly available? Do we need to be clearer about that?

*Med vänliga hälsningar,
Jan Ainali*

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2013/9/30 Silke Meyer <silke.meyer at wikimedia.de>

> Hi!
>
> Jan, I see your point. Only it is *very* hard to change legal
> requirements, especially in an international context like this one. What is
> legal in one country is illegal in a different one. What is considered "no
> problem" in parts of a diverse and international community is seen as
> highly problematic in other parts of the same community.
>
> The concerns and expectations are very different, depending on the social,
> political, historical contexts people are from. I think it's the art of a
> community to be able to listen to all the different points of view and
> think about solutions. For those who criticize the "Deep User Inspection"
> tool, it is a special feature of the toolserver that this conversation is
> possible there.
>
> That's why I would encourage us to reflect as a community if we want to go
> further than legal requirements in Tool Labs, as a common political
> decision that takes these concerns seriously. Let me cite some of the
> concerns I read about Deep User Inspection:
> "I registered to write an encyclopedia, and not to serve as an example for
> what is technically feasible with my data."
> "Tracking people like this keeps them from contributing."
>
> Of course, the data would still be available even if we required a user
> opt-in. But the political decision in this would be to say "not here".
> (Same as we say "not here" to proprietary tools.)
>
> In the end, I'm afraid it could really harm the prestige of Tool Labs as a
> successor of the toolserver if the concerns remain unheard.
>
> Lots of stuff in this world is legal but I would never do it because I can
> decide to do better.
> Silke
>
>
>
>
> 2013/9/29 Yuvi Panda <yuvipanda at gmail.com>
>
>> +1 to what Jan said. Placing artificial restrictions on what can be done
>> with data that is collected *and* made publicly available does not seem to
>> make sense to me - nor will it actually be effective.
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