[Labs-l] [labs] bots project is turning to testing environment of tools project

[Petr Bena]

tools-dev is a 1 instance in tools project, that is for development or
testing of tools. The testing environment is needed to test changes
made to infrastructure (it's not for testing of bots, but it could
be).

For example we are soon going to switch apache servers from current
version 2.2.22 to 2.2.24 - in order to test this change we need
testing infrastructure, not just 1 separate instance

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Maarten Dammers <maarten at mdammers.nl> wrote:
> Hi Petr,
>
> This is very confusing. Why not just kill/deprecate the bots project? For
> testing and development we have tools-dev anyway.
>
> Maarten
>
> Op 15-6-2013 13:51, Petr Bena schreef:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Most of you already know that, but I will repeat it once more, so that
>> everyone who is using bots project is aware of that.
>>
>> Since tool labs (project tools on wikimedia labs) is now serving the
>> purpose which bots project on labs initially served for, we decided to
>> convert bots project to testing environment of tools project (and
>> shelter both wikimedia labs projects under the one big "virtual"
>> project called "tool labs")
>>
>> I know it is very confusing naming but I hope once "aliasing" of
>> project names is possible on wikitech we just rename bots project to
>> tools-testing or something like that.
>>
>> == I am already confused of the naming, explain now, or I will eat you ==
>>
>> Wikimedia labs = a platform which host virtual instances, each
>> instance being a member of some labs project (that is basically entry
>> in LDAP which all these instances and members of project are member
>> of)
>>
>> Tool labs = is a project that is supposed to offer hosting for web
>> based tools and bots. Tool labs consist of 2 wikimedia labs projects -
>> bots (testing) and tools (production)
>>
>> == What does it mean for me in practice ==
>>
>> The bots project will look very identical to tools project, but if we
>> need to test anything we will do that on bots just to make sure it
>> won't break tools project. That is a main difference.
>>
>> Beside that bots project is going to be smaller (we don't need to
>> allocate so many resources just for a testing platform). Right now we
>> have 3 grid execution hosts, in future we will probably have 1 (or 2).
>>
>> Therefore if you are hosting your bot on bots project now, you
>> /should/ move it to "stable" version of tool labs which is the tools
>> project. You don't need to do that if you don't want - but eventual
>> breakages may happen, and stability is not really guaranteed on bots
>> project (not that it was on tools :-))
>>
>>
>> TL/DR: If you are hosting your bot on bots project right now, move it
>> to tools project if you can, or bad things may (but not necessarily
>> will) happen to it, if we manage to break bots during some test.
>>
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