[Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

[Ryan Kaldari]

Just wanted to say that I didn't take any offense from Michael's 
comments. I was probably a bit out of line in my characterization of 
Christianity. I was just trying to point out that any religion, when 
taken literally, can be problematic. There were actually many books 
published during the American Civil War about how the Bible endorsed 
slavery. They make a convincing argument if you accept all of their 
Bible quotes taken out of context.

The part about women being subservient is actually quite pervasive in 
the bible, both old and new testament. See:
1 Peter 3:1-6
1 Timothy 2:11-14
Colossians 3:18
Ephesians 5:22-23
1 Corinthians 14:33-35
1 Corinthians 11:3-10
Isaiah 19:16
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
Genesis 3:16
Genesis 2:18
This is certainly not a novel interpretation. Indeed it seems very 
difficult to argue that the Bible does not consider women subservient to 
men.

The part about beards is Old Testament and only taken seriously by 
Orthodox Christians, Amish, Mennonites, etc.

The part about putting adulterers to death is also Old Testament and 
obviously not taken seriously by most Christians, although John Calvin 
did argue that the Bible justified the death penalty for adultery (as 
have other Christians historically).

All that said, I am not trying to imply that modern Christianity is an 
oppressive religion. I'm just saying that historically, it has a few 
skeletons in its closet and it went through some serious growing pains, 
as is Islam.

Ryan Kaldari

On 9/23/11 7:00 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Emily Monroe<emilymonroe03 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Michael Lowry, what you just said was said was sarcastic and potentially
>> uncivil.
> So Ryan and Carol can lie about MY religion, and I'M the one accused
> of incivility?
>