[Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 9, Issue 68

Wed Oct 26 00:12:11 UTC 2011

Feminist issues -- in the news -- sorority assaults --
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/10/texas-sorority-sisters-targeted-in-sexual-assaults.html?track=lat-pick

Thanx -- Migdia

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:10 PM, <gendergap-request at lists.wikimedia.org>wrote:

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>   1. Re: Am I crazy? (Sarah Stierch)
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>   3. Re: Women and Wikimedia Survey (Aude)
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> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:16:26 -0700
> From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy?
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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> ...and one more thing - it's also the straight peoples guide to dating.
>
> And the majority of queer mentions go into internet dating with specific
> focus on gay men (the word "lesbian" is used once, a mention of
>  transexuals
> is there twice but the same fact in both places - and it's in conjunction
> with eunuchs in India, and bi/pan/whatnot isn't listed at all).
>
> Homosexuality is also called an "alternative arrangement."
>
> Heh!
>
> -Sarah
> who has recently become fascinated by the "gay agenda" article only to find
> out there isn't a "feminist agenda" article....
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > ....I also noticed the menu in the top right lists dating in the abuse
> > section (and activities).
> >
> > I understand that abuse can take place during dating (and any other
> > relationship at that) but does it really merit being in the abuse
> section?
> > Next to "child" "elderly" and "domestic?"
> >
> > If you're dating someone and you're abusing them I consider it domestic
> > (Intimate Partner Violence, etc.)....but, I haven't sat down and read
> > references about 'dating abuse' or whatever (and I probably won't right
> > now..). Heck, the word "abuse" isn't even used in the dating article.
> >
> > If abuse is dating and I need to stop being sarcastic and wear more
> bright
> > colors..I suppose I've been doing all of this wrong after all...(now
> wonder
> > I'm single! ;-) )
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25 October 2011 16:24, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow.
> >>>
> >>> Just...wow.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari at wikimedia.org
> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>  If you really want some entertainment, you should try reading the
> >>>> "dating" article. It includes such mind-blowing revelations as:
> >>>>
> >>>> * Teenagers and tweens have been described as dating.
> >>>>
> >>>> * There are reports that guys are asking out girls for dates by text
> >>>> messaging.
> >>>>
> >>>> * When young people are in school, they have a lot of access to people
> >>>> their own age, and don't need tools such as online websites or dating
> >>>> services.
> >>>>
> >>>> And of course lots of great gender stereotypes like:
> >>>>
> >>>> * During much of human history... women "connived to trade beauty and
> >>>> sex for affluence and status".
> >>>>
> >>>> * Educated women in many countries including Italy and Russia and the
> >>>> United States often find it difficult to have a career as well as
> raise a
> >>>> family; many delay finding a mate and having children and wonder if
> they're
> >>>> too accomplished that they won't be as appealing to men.
> >>>>
> >>>> It also includes lots of random advice like:
> >>>>
> >>>> * dating at a movie is advisable only if followed by a drink
> afterwards.
> >>>>
> >>>> * men are attracted to 'curls', 'ribbons', 'bright colors', and women
> >>>> should 'avoid sarcasm.'
> >>>>
> >>>> * Women can use 'pseudo-infantile motions such as the head-cock' and
> >>>> gaze intensely with widened eyes and laugh often, touch, and move in
> ways to
> >>>> emphasize their body's roundness, such as shrugging their shoulders or
> sit
> >>>> hugging their knees, to mimic buttock imagery.
> >>>>
> >>>> I swear this stuff is in the article. I couldn't make this up!
> >>>>
> >>>> And to illustrate the "Dating worldwide" section, they use the
> painting
> >>>> "The Rape Of The Sabines: The Abduction" which shows a guy with a
> sword
> >>>> carrying off a scantily clad damsel in distress. I guess our editors
> have
> >>>> some unique ideas on dating etiquette.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ryan Kaldari
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/24/11 6:00 PM, Gillian White wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Apart from any content problems, the article had no context. It was
> not
> >>>> linked to what should be regarded as its parents. And that lack of
> >>>> coherence, combined with its specific terminology made it largely
> >>>> incomprehensible to people unfamiliar with American educational
> systems,
> >>>> aside from its social practices. For example, it is by no means
> universal
> >>>> that students live in residential colleges while attending university.
> I had
> >>>> a go at giving it some context so readers can go from one article to
> the
> >>>> next (specifically, from "courtship" to "dating" to "college dating")
> but I
> >>>> agree that it would be better if it was renamed, as the issues that
> are
> >>>> distinctive to dating in college/university could then be developed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gillian
> >>>>
> >>>> On 25 October 2011 06:11, Sue Gardner <sgardner at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, personally I think the subject is notable. There has been tons
> >>>>> of academic research and popular history written about the history of
> >>>>> dating, college dating, the invention of the 'teenager,' etc. Even
> >>>>> just within the United States.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think I did a radio series on this once -- IIRC, Beth Bailey was a
> >>>>> really great source. She wrote this fascinating book:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://www.amazon.com/Front-Porch-Back-Seat-Twentieth-Century/dp/0801839351
> >>>>> .
> >>>>> Susan J. Douglas was good too, as well as Stephanie Coontz and
> Barbara
> >>>>> Ehrenreich. They are all American, though. Lots has been written
> about
> >>>>> the UK too, but I'm not sure about other cultures/countries.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Sue
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> ?Sue Gardner
> >>>>> Executive Director
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 24 October 2011 11:16, Daniel and Elizabeth Case
> >>>>>  <dancase at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> > From: Nathan
> >>>>> > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 PM
> >>>>> > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
> >>>>> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I question whether "college dating" deserves an article to begin
> >>>>> with.
> >>>>> > If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at all establish,
> >>>>> > the current article has a pretty fatal case of systemic bias.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >    On the surface I tend to agree, but then I read the AfD:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/College_dating
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Daniel Case
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
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> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:11:27 -0700
> From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Gendergap] Women and Wikimedia Survey
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I have released the data from my survey, Women and Wikimedia, here:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Wikimedia_Survey_2011
>
> Please share and thanks to all who participated. I do hope people find
> value in this..I know I have....
>
> Sarah
>
> Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:10:42 -0400
> From: Aude <aude.wiki at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women and Wikimedia Survey
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have released the data from my survey, Women and Wikimedia, here:
> >
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Wikimedia_Survey_2011
> >
>
> Sarah,
>
> Thank you so much for conducting the survey! It's very informative and
> great
> to see both some numbers along with the qualitative information.
>
> Cheers,
> Katie
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Please share and thanks to all who participated. I do hope people find
> > value in this..I know I have....
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> > Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
> >
> >
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