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3. Re: Women and Wikimedia Survey (Aude)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:16:26 -0700<br>From: Sarah Stierch <<a href="mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com">sarah.stierch@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy?<br>To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects<br> <<a href="mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org">gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <CAKiGLfqs_OSRe9aGBpLRgu1wNiN6_feicex=R6-Er=<a href="mailto:xvtDPegQ@mail.gmail.com">xvtDPegQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>...and one more thing - it's also the straight peoples guide to dating.<br><br>And the majority of queer mentions go into internet dating with specific<br>focus on gay men (the word "lesbian" is used once, a mention of transexuals<br>
is there twice but the same fact in both places - and it's in conjunction<br>with eunuchs in India, and bi/pan/whatnot isn't listed at all).<br><br>Homosexuality is also called an "alternative arrangement."<br>
<br>Heh!<br><br>-Sarah<br>who has recently become fascinated by the "gay agenda" article only to find<br>out there isn't a "feminist agenda" article....<br><br>On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Sarah Stierch <<a href="mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com">sarah.stierch@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>> ....I also noticed the menu in the top right lists dating in the abuse<br>> section (and activities).<br>><br>> I understand that abuse can take place during dating (and any other<br>> relationship at that) but does it really merit being in the abuse section?<br>
> Next to "child" "elderly" and "domestic?"<br>><br>> If you're dating someone and you're abusing them I consider it domestic<br>> (Intimate Partner Violence, etc.)....but, I haven't sat down and read<br>
> references about 'dating abuse' or whatever (and I probably won't right<br>> now..). Heck, the word "abuse" isn't even used in the dating article.<br>><br>> If abuse is dating and I need to stop being sarcastic and wear more bright<br>
> colors..I suppose I've been doing all of this wrong after all...(now wonder<br>> I'm single! ;-) )<br>><br>> Sarah<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On 25 October 2011 16:24, Sarah Stierch <<a href="mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com">sarah.stierch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>>>> Wow.<br>>>><br>>>> Just...wow.<br>>>><br>>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Ryan Kaldari <<a href="mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org">rkaldari@wikimedia.org</a>>wrote:<br>
>>><br>>>>> If you really want some entertainment, you should try reading the<br>>>>> "dating" article. It includes such mind-blowing revelations as:<br>>>>><br>>>>> * Teenagers and tweens have been described as dating.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> * There are reports that guys are asking out girls for dates by text<br>>>>> messaging.<br>>>>><br>>>>> * When young people are in school, they have a lot of access to people<br>
>>>> their own age, and don't need tools such as online websites or dating<br>>>>> services.<br>>>>><br>>>>> And of course lots of great gender stereotypes like:<br>>>>><br>
>>>> * During much of human history... women "connived to trade beauty and<br>>>>> sex for affluence and status".<br>>>>><br>>>>> * Educated women in many countries including Italy and Russia and the<br>
>>>> United States often find it difficult to have a career as well as raise a<br>>>>> family; many delay finding a mate and having children and wonder if they're<br>>>>> too accomplished that they won't be as appealing to men.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> It also includes lots of random advice like:<br>>>>><br>>>>> * dating at a movie is advisable only if followed by a drink afterwards.<br>>>>><br>>>>> * men are attracted to 'curls', 'ribbons', 'bright colors', and women<br>
>>>> should 'avoid sarcasm.'<br>>>>><br>>>>> * Women can use 'pseudo-infantile motions such as the head-cock' and<br>>>>> gaze intensely with widened eyes and laugh often, touch, and move in ways to<br>
>>>> emphasize their body's roundness, such as shrugging their shoulders or sit<br>>>>> hugging their knees, to mimic buttock imagery.<br>>>>><br>>>>> I swear this stuff is in the article. I couldn't make this up!<br>
>>>><br>>>>> And to illustrate the "Dating worldwide" section, they use the painting<br>>>>> "The Rape Of The Sabines: The Abduction" which shows a guy with a sword<br>
>>>> carrying off a scantily clad damsel in distress. I guess our editors have<br>>>>> some unique ideas on dating etiquette.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Ryan Kaldari<br>>>>><br>
>>>><br>>>>> On 10/24/11 6:00 PM, Gillian White wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>> Apart from any content problems, the article had no context. It was not<br>>>>> linked to what should be regarded as its parents. And that lack of<br>
>>>> coherence, combined with its specific terminology made it largely<br>>>>> incomprehensible to people unfamiliar with American educational systems,<br>>>>> aside from its social practices. For example, it is by no means universal<br>
>>>> that students live in residential colleges while attending university. I had<br>>>>> a go at giving it some context so readers can go from one article to the<br>>>>> next (specifically, from "courtship" to "dating" to "college dating") but I<br>
>>>> agree that it would be better if it was renamed, as the issues that are<br>>>>> distinctive to dating in college/university could then be developed.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Gillian<br>
>>>><br>>>>> On 25 October 2011 06:11, Sue Gardner <<a href="mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org">sgardner@wikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>> Yeah, personally I think the subject is notable. There has been tons<br>
>>>>> of academic research and popular history written about the history of<br>>>>>> dating, college dating, the invention of the 'teenager,' etc. Even<br>>>>>> just within the United States.<br>
>>>>><br>>>>>> I think I did a radio series on this once -- IIRC, Beth Bailey was a<br>>>>>> really great source. She wrote this fascinating book:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Front-Porch-Back-Seat-Twentieth-Century/dp/0801839351" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Front-Porch-Back-Seat-Twentieth-Century/dp/0801839351</a><br>
>>>>> .<br>>>>>> Susan J. Douglas was good too, as well as Stephanie Coontz and Barbara<br>>>>>> Ehrenreich. They are all American, though. Lots has been written about<br>>>>>> the UK too, but I'm not sure about other cultures/countries.<br>
>>>>><br>>>>>> Thanks,<br>>>>>> Sue<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> --<br>>>>>> ?Sue Gardner<br>>>>>> Executive Director<br>
>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> <a href="tel:415%20839%206885" value="+14158396885">415 839 6885</a> office<br>>>>>> <a href="tel:415%20816%209967" value="+14158169967">415 816 9967</a> cell<br>
>>>>><br>>>>>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in<br>>>>>> the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> <a href="http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate" target="_blank">http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate</a><br>
>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> On 24 October 2011 11:16, Daniel and Elizabeth Case<br>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:dancase@frontiernet.net">dancase@frontiernet.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> ><br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----<br>>>>>> > From: Nathan<br>>>>>> > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 PM<br>
>>>>> > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects<br>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy?<br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> > I question whether "college dating" deserves an article to begin<br>
>>>>> with.<br>>>>>> > If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at all establish,<br>>>>>> > the current article has a pretty fatal case of systemic bias.<br>
>>>>> ><br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> > On the surface I tend to agree, but then I read the AfD:<br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/College_dating" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/College_dating</a><br>
>>>>> ><br>>>>>> > Daniel Case<br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> > _______________________________________________<br>
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To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects<br> <<a href="mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org">gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:550EA710-0F22-4093-95FE-39F2C5BC0451@gmail.com">550EA710-0F22-4093-95FE-39F2C5BC0451@gmail.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br><br>Hi everyone,<br><br>I have released the data from my survey, Women and Wikimedia, here:<br><br><a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Wikimedia_Survey_2011" target="_blank">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Wikimedia_Survey_2011</a><br>
<br>Please share and thanks to all who participated. I do hope people find value in this..I know I have....<br><br>Sarah<br><br>Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br>
<br>Message: 3<br>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:10:42 -0400<br>From: Aude <<a href="mailto:aude.wiki@gmail.com">aude.wiki@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women and Wikimedia Survey<br>To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects<br>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Sarah Stierch <<a href="mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com">sarah.stierch@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br><br>> Hi everyone,<br>
><br>> I have released the data from my survey, Women and Wikimedia, here:<br>><br>> <a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Wikimedia_Survey_2011" target="_blank">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Wikimedia_Survey_2011</a><br>
><br><br>Sarah,<br><br>Thank you so much for conducting the survey! It's very informative and great<br>to see both some numbers along with the qualitative information.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Katie<br><br><br><br><br>><br>
> Please share and thanks to all who participated. I do hope people find<br>> value in this..I know I have....<br>><br>> Sarah<br>><br>> Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)<br>
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