[Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 9, Issue 60
Migdia Chinea
migdia.chinea at gmail.com
Wed Oct 19 03:07:15 UTC 2011
The issues brought forth by "anonymous (street meat)" are/were social and
gender-based -- the film has been well-received and its reception has
preceded anything on Wikipedia. The page was not written in any
self-promotional mode -- but in an informational mode. I think I stepped on
someone's toes because more than a year go I called attention to "Saturday
Night Special" a short which was extremely laudatory of its director, cast
and crew. I suggested an edit. No one paid attention to it and when they
did, after being on the web for four years or more, it was selective. I
believe that the Wikipedia page on that short (which was, incidentally,
passing itself off as a full length feature without anyone even questioning
it at all, as I certainly didn't know) was written and maintained by
someone close to that person. The deletion was 11th hour because I brought
up issues is selectivity and double-standard -- and I believe that they were
there.
The orange gentleman seems to think that he was polite when he's been
accusing me of self-promotion and lying while ignoring all I had to say over
and over and over again in several different exhausting venues. I pointed
out that films by women are precious few and far between -- films by
Hispanic women even more so -- that in and of itself is noteworthy if anyone
should ever look it up on Wikipedia. The rudeness of that man's remarks are
mean-spirited and I think he was particularly so because I am a woman, but
it's an unnecessary attitude in regards to anyone of any gender. The page
for "Saturday Night Special" was removed without nary a comment. My
comments and their remarks were kept on, I believe, to humiliate me. I have
concluded that this is an exhausting unkind process as evidenced by bullying
as a deterrent. It's no wonder more women do not contribute.
I have an assignment to write.
Thank you and kind regards --
Mig --
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> 1. Women's Voices Women Vote | feminist lobby group wants help
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> 2. Women, collective intelligence, and Wikipedia (Pete Forsyth)
> 3. and to contrast...one stop Commons hosiery shopping!
> (Sarah Stierch)
> 4. "anonymous (street meat)" (Migdia Chinea)
> 5. Re: "anonymous (street meat)" (Nathan)
> 6. Re: "anonymous (street meat)" (Michael J. Lowrey)
> 7. Deterrent (Mig)
> 8. Re: Deterrent (Jeremy Baron)
> 9. From Jezebel: "Men?s Rights Fight Breaks Out On Wikipedia"
> (Sarah Stierch)
> 10. Re: "anonymous (street meat)" (Dominic)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:57:12 -0400
> From: Audrey Cormier <cormier.home at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: [Gendergap] Women's Voices Women Vote | feminist lobby group
> wants help
> To: gendergap at lists.wikimedia.org
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> I can add info from the draft to the article (under new title to reflect
> the organization's new name) this evening, if no one else has done it
> already. Will copy edit as well if needed.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:42:18 -0700
> From: Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Gendergap] Women, collective intelligence, and Wikipedia
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
> <gendergap at lists.wikimedia.org>
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> Hi all,
>
> Eugene Kim, the consultant who facilitated Wikimedia's amazing five-year
> strategic planning process, has just posted an interesting blog post (with
> his new consulting agency, Groupaya).
>
> http://groupaya.net/blog/2011/10/do-women-make-groups-smarter/
>
> An excerpt:
>
> > Tom Malone is the director of MIT?s Center for Collective Intelligence. A
> few months ago, he published research with Carnegie Mellon?s Anita Woolley
> suggesting that groups with more women exhibited greater collective
> intelligence. It?s not that women have higher IQs than men. (Individual IQ
> had little correlation with collective intelligence.) It?s that women tend
> to exhibit more social sensitivity than men, and social sensitivity is a
> much stronger contributing factor to group intelligence.
>
> Kim goes on to discuss the implications for Wikipedia, a project that is
> highly collaborative and mostly male. He concludes with the idea that, in
> the interest of pursuing more effective collaboration, Wikipedia would
> benefit from more participation by women.
>
> A good read, I recommend it.
> -Pete
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:20:16 -0400
> From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Gendergap] and to contrast...one stop Commons hosiery
> shopping!
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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> While reviewing new content for my scoop.it (
> http://www.scoop.it/t/women-and-wikimedia), where I posted the recent blog
> link that Pete shared..I was suggested this: (safe for work)
>
>
> http://hosieryadvocate.blogspot.com/2011/10/hosiery-in-wikimedia-sexy-halloween.html
>
> The blog writer has an entire set of tags devoted to photographs of women
> in
> hosiery that are found on Wikipedia/Media/Commons.
>
> Here is the blog when the writer praises Commons for it's excellent job at
> categorizing hosiery.
>
> http://hosieryadvocate.blogspot.com/2011/05/hosiery-in-wikimedia.html
>
> "Wikimedia Commons <http://commons.wikimedia.org/> does a great job of
> finding hosiery photos for you, when you search for hosiery, pantyhose,
> tights and stockings, but there are many photos on the site, that do not
> turn up with those searches. Those photos show up under different searches,
> and will do just fine."
>
> -- On a personal note, my first high end retail job, at 18, was working in
> the hosiery department at Nordstroms. I became well aware of the fetish
> around hosiery due to a selected clientele we had. But this gave me quite a
> chuckle and brought back "Early retail" memories.
>
> I'm impressed that so many men know so much about women's hosiery on
> Commons, presuming that the majority of categorizers handling that
> department are males....(I could be wrong, but statistically...)
>
> Sarah
>
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> From: Migdia Chinea <migdia.chinea at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Gendergap] "anonymous (street meat)"
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> tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(Street_Meat)
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> This deletion was filled with personal remarks and innouendo. It was
> discouraging of the posting bny any women. I'm angry and frustrated to
> have
> been singled out. Is that treatment to be expected? Thank you --
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> Migdia Chinea
>
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> From: Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] "anonymous (street meat)"
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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> I looked at the discussion
> (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anonymous_(Street_Meat)
> )
> and didn't see personal remarks or innuendo. Can you point me to them?
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Migdia Chinea <migdia.chinea at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(Street_Meat)
> >
> > This deletion was filled with personal remarks and innouendo.? It was
> > discouraging of the posting bny any women.? I'm angry and frustrated to
> have
> > been singled out.? Is that treatment to be expected?? Thank you --
> >
> > Migdia Chinea
> >
> > --
> > Migdia & Cicero & Ulla & Tullia-Zoe & Clodia & Aurelius & Cato the
> Younger
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:10:33 -0500
> From: "Michael J. Lowrey" <orangemike at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] "anonymous (street meat)"
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I looked at the discussion
> > (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anonymous_(Street_Meat)
> )
> > and didn't see personal remarks or innuendo. Can you point me to them?
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Migdia Chinea <migdia.chinea at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(Street_Meat)
> >>
> >> This deletion was filled with personal remarks and innouendo.? It was
> >> discouraging of the posting bny any women.? I'm angry and frustrated to
> have
> >> been singled out.? Is that treatment to be expected?? Thank you --
> >>
> >> Migdia Chinea
> >>
> >> --
> >> Migdia & Cicero & Ulla & Tullia-Zoe & Clodia & Aurelius & Cato the
> Younger
>
> Migdia Chinea's only purpose on Wikipedia has been to promote herself
> (whom she deems to be notable as an up-and-coming filmmaker) and her
> film (ditto). She considers any challenge to her self-promotion to
> constitute an assault on herself as a human being and creative worker,
> and refuses to heed any of the advice given her. This is not a gender
> issue in any way; I ran into similar problems with the male comix
> artist Colin Upton, who left Wikipedia after not liking the way other
> people treated the article about him.
>
> --
> Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
>
> "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food
> and clothes."
> ? ?? --? Desiderius Erasmus
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:58:43 -0700
> From: Mig <migdia.chinea at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Gendergap] Deterrent
> To: "gendergap at lists.wikimedia.org" <gendergap at lists.wikimedia.org>
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> I believe that men editors have targeted me for and with their biases and
> have done everything they could to humiliate me publicly , which acts as a
> deterrent to female editors who are not well connected with wikipedia ranks.
> Please refer to my page. Thank u. Migdia Chinea
>
> Sent from Migdia's iPhone
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:05:04 -0400
> From: Jeremy Baron <jeremy at tuxmachine.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Deterrent
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
> <gendergap at lists.wikimedia.org>
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> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 14:58, Mig <migdia.chinea at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I believe that men editors have targeted me for and with their biases and
> have done everything they could to humiliate me publicly , which acts as a
> deterrent to female editors who are not well connected with wikipedia ranks.
> ? Please refer to my page. Thank u. Migdia Chinea
> >
> > Sent from Migdia's iPhone
>
> I assume you're referring to
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Migdiachinea , is that right?
>
> Just so people don't have to go searching to find what you're talking
> about.
>
> -Jeremy
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:10:11 -0400
> From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Gendergap] From Jezebel: "Men?s Rights Fight Breaks Out On
> Wikipedia"
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
> <gendergap at lists.wikimedia.org>
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> http://jezebel.com/e_harm/
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> --
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> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American
> Art<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch>
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> *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.*
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> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:35:31 -0400
> From: Dominic <dmcdevit at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] "anonymous (street meat)"
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
> <gendergap at lists.wikimedia.org>
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> Michael, I think that response is overly harsh, even if it is true that
> Migdia's contributions were not appropriate for the encyclopedia. While
> there are certainly spammers who act in bad faith, often what
> Wikipedians see as self-promotion is not seen or intended that way by
> those who contribute it. In particular, when we are talking about
> biographical material and issues of notability, it is very easy for the
> issue to become personalized, and for the subject to feel like they are
> being persecuted on a personal level (being accused of "vanity," called
> not "notable"). I am not certain why Migdia says that the comments were
> gender-related, but the feeling of having been singled out and insulted
> is a common one for those who have had to go through the deletion
> process, and we hear it a lot.
>
> It is important to remember that Wikipedia's definition of terms like
> "notability" is jargon and confusing. To a normal person, being notable
> means you've done something important; to a Wikipedian, it means
> reporters or academics have written about you. In fact, it is quite
> possible to debate the merits of an article without accusing anyone of
> self-promotion, even if you believe it's true. The self-promotion issue
> is beside the point: in general, we delete articles if they fail our
> criteria for inclusion and we keep them if they meet them (self-authored
> or not).
>
> Dominic
>
> On 10/18/11 2:10 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Nathan<nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I looked at the discussion
> >> (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anonymous_(Street_Meat)
> )
> >> and didn't see personal remarks or innuendo. Can you point me to them?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Migdia Chinea<migdia.chinea at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(Street_Meat)
> >>>
> >>> This deletion was filled with personal remarks and innouendo. It was
> >>> discouraging of the posting bny any women. I'm angry and frustrated to
> have
> >>> been singled out. Is that treatment to be expected? Thank you --
> >>>
> >>> Migdia Chinea
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Migdia& Cicero& Ulla& Tullia-Zoe& Clodia& Aurelius& Cato the
> Younger
> > Migdia Chinea's only purpose on Wikipedia has been to promote herself
> > (whom she deems to be notable as an up-and-coming filmmaker) and her
> > film (ditto). She considers any challenge to her self-promotion to
> > constitute an assault on herself as a human being and creative worker,
> > and refuses to heed any of the advice given her. This is not a gender
> > issue in any way; I ran into similar problems with the male comix
> > artist Colin Upton, who left Wikipedia after not liking the way other
> > people treated the article about him.
> >
>
>
>
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