[Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons
Ryan Kaldari
rkaldari at wikimedia.org
Thu May 26 19:16:07 UTC 2011
That's fine with me. If someone feels that objectifying women is kosher
on Commons, I'll be happy to discuss it with them on the Administrator's
noticeboard.
Ryan Kaldari
On 5/26/11 11:34 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
> If you start the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm
> noticeboard "on sight"
> _____
> /Béria Lima/
> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt>
> (351) 963 953 042
>
> /Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
> estamos a fazer./
>
>
> 2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari at wikimedia.org
> <mailto:rkaldari at wikimedia.org>>
>
> Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They
> create a sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who
> isn't a heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you,
> please read through
> http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment
>
> These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see
> them, please delete them or email me. Thanks.
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>
>
> On 5/23/11 11:48 AM, Nicole Willson wrote:
>> Comments like that don't make me run out of commons, but they do
>> get an eye roll from me at the very least. I don't see why that
>> kind of comment is necessary.
>>
>> The images or comments are not what keep me from participating in
>> commons, it's not having a clear sense of whether or not comments
>> like that are the norm on commons or considered acceptable, as
>> well as not knowing the best way to respond. I spend most of my
>> time on a smaller wiki, where I have a better sense of what the
>> rules are and who to contact within that community for advice on
>> how to handle that kind of thing. Since I don't have as good a
>> sense of the issues on Commons, I usually don't comment.
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Béria Lima
>> <beria.lima at wikimedia.pt <mailto:beria.lima at wikimedia.pt>> wrote:
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> Speak for yourself. I'm also a woman and i don't see that
>> "you're not welcome" in his comment, and also can't see why
>> that particular comment would in some way made girls run out
>> commons.
>> _____
>> /Béria Lima/
>> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt>
>> (351) 963 953 042
>>
>> /Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a
>> possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o
>> conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer./
>>
>>
>> 2011/5/23 Sarah <slimvirgin at gmail.com
>> <mailto:slimvirgin at gmail.com>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:32, Bob Sponge
>> <metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradition at googlemail.com
>> <mailto:metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradition at googlemail.com>> wrote:
>> > dear sarah
>> >
>> > i want to give you a small feedback about your entries
>> here about a
>> > comment i did. (i found this list with a notice on my
>> userpage in the
>> > german wikipedia)
>> >
>> > "Pro i like her big tits :-) Bunnyfrosch (Diskussion)
>> 22:59, 2 January
>> > 2011 (UTC)"
>> >
>> > there were 2 contra votes before, one argued not
>> educational and
>> > questioned: "Why manga woman rhymes with big tits?" the
>> other replies
>> > the "not educational" accusation. both arguments are
>> bullshit in my
>> > opinion. because all is educational or nothing, but i
>> am to obliging
>> > to told a another users his/her meaning is bullshit.
>> for example if i
>> > want to know how a piece of shit looks like, a picture
>> of a piece of
>> > shit ist educational, and if i want to know something
>> about the
>> > frontieres of texas, a picture of a map coult very
>> > helpfully/educational. if people naming something not
>> educational,
>> > they want to say somthing diffrent. ( note this is my
>> personal pov!)
>> > but they vote this way, but really really often simply
>> mean: "i hate
>> > this pic" or "i hate this user" or "i hate every kind
>> of nudity in the
>> > commons"
>> >
>> > in german i often give persons a longer feedback, in
>> english i spare
>> > the longer feedback. (you can read why^^) so i choose a
>> short pro
>> > vote, applying to the first contra. and by the way, i
>> am not addicted
>> > to big or small boobs - i couldn't care less!
>> > if i had choose a longer explanation for my vote, it
>> would like:
>> > "wikipedia needs well draught anime pictures, with
>> common licences,
>> > this one is a great animation of a girl or transsexual
>> in a beautyfull
>> > landscape". so, thats the reason i vote with pro.
>> >
>> > but there was no need for a argumentaion, when the
>> contra-side argues
>> > with "not educational"
>> >
>> > i hope this will help you, to understand my diction in
>> the comment.
>> >
>> > best regards
>> > le frog du rabbit
>> >
>> Bob, thanks for your explanation. It's appreciated.
>>
>> The thing is this: some of us would like to attract more
>> women editors
>> to Wikipedia, so that women have more of a voice, and
>> perhaps also to
>> change the culture of Wikipedia a little.
>>
>> It's arguably not in a woman's interests to hang around
>> on a talk page
>> where people are posting about big tits. It may be in the
>> project's
>> interests to have more women there, but it's hard to see
>> how it could
>> be in the interests of the individual women.
>>
>> It doesn't really matter what the intention is behind the
>> words,
>> because all we see are the words themselves. For some
>> women (not all,
>> but some), these words effectively mean, "The way you see
>> the world is
>> not represented here," or "Go away."
>>
>> That's one of the reasons it's a problem.
>>
>> Sarah
>>
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