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    That's fine with me. If someone feels that objectifying women is
    kosher on Commons, I'll be happy to discuss it with them on the
    Administrator's noticeboard.<br>
    <br>
    Ryan Kaldari<br>
    <br>
    On 5/26/11 11:34 AM, B&eacute;ria Lima wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:BANLkTimSgu3iSi27JCy_7+TRPe-hs28W+Q@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">If you start
        the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm
        noticeboard "on sight" <br clear="all">
      </font>_____<br>
      <font style="font-family: georgia,serif;" size="2"><i>B&eacute;ria Lima</i></font><br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wikimedia.pt"
        target="_blank">Wikimedia Portugal</a><br>
      (351) 963 953 042<br>
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      <i style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);">Imagine um mundo onde &eacute; dada
        a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao
        somat&oacute;rio de todo o conhecimento humano. &Eacute; isso o que estamos a
        fazer.</i><br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org">rkaldari@wikimedia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
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          <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Those types of comments
            are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a sexualized
            environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a
            heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please
            read through <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment"
              target="_blank">http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment</a><br>
            <br>
            These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you
            see them, please delete them or email me. Thanks.<br>
            <font color="#888888"> <br>
              Ryan Kaldari</font>
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              <div class="h5"><br>
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                On 5/23/11 11:48 AM, Nicole Willson wrote:
                <blockquote type="cite">Comments like that don't make me
                  run out of commons, but they do get an eye roll from
                  me at the very least. I don't see why that kind of
                  comment is necessary.<br>
                  <br>
                  The images or comments are not what keep me from
                  participating in commons, it's not having a clear
                  sense of whether or not comments like that are the
                  norm on commons or considered acceptable, as well as
                  not knowing the best way to respond. I spend most of
                  my time on a smaller wiki, where I have a better sense
                  of what the rules are and who to contact within that
                  community for advice on how to handle that kind of
                  thing. Since I don't have as good a sense of the
                  issues on Commons, I usually don't comment. <br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:56
                    AM, B&eacute;ria Lima <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:beria.lima@wikimedia.pt"
                        target="_blank">beria.lima@wikimedia.pt</a>&gt;</span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt
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                        face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Sarah<br>
                        <br>
                        Speak for yourself. I'm also a woman and i don't
                        see that "you're not welcome" in his comment,
                        and also can't see why that particular comment
                        would in some way made girls run out commons.<br
                          clear="all">
                      </font>
                      <div>_____<br>
                        <font style="font-family: georgia,serif;"
                          size="2"><i>B&eacute;ria Lima</i></font><br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://wikimedia.pt" target="_blank">Wikimedia
                          Portugal</a><br>
                        (351) 963 953 042<br>
                        <br>
                        <i style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);">Imagine um
                          mundo onde &eacute; dada a qualquer pessoa a
                          possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somat&oacute;rio
                          de todo o conhecimento humano. &Eacute; isso o que
                          estamos a fazer.</i><br>
                        <br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/23 Sarah <span
                              dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:slimvirgin@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">slimvirgin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
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                                <div>On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:32, Bob
                                  Sponge<br>
                                  &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradition@googlemail.com"
                                    target="_blank">metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradition@googlemail.com</a>&gt;

                                  wrote:<br>
                                  &gt; dear sarah<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; i want to give you a small
                                  feedback about your entries here about
                                  a<br>
                                  &gt; comment i did. (i found this list
                                  with a notice on my userpage in the<br>
                                  &gt; german wikipedia)<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; "Pro i like her big tits :-)
                                  Bunnyfrosch (Diskussion) 22:59, 2
                                  January<br>
                                  &gt; 2011 (UTC)"<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; there were 2 contra votes before,
                                  one argued not educational and<br>
                                  &gt; questioned: "Why manga woman
                                  rhymes with big tits?" the other
                                  replies<br>
                                  &gt; the "not educational" accusation.
                                  both arguments are bullshit in my<br>
                                  &gt; opinion. because all is
                                  educational or nothing, but i am to
                                  obliging<br>
                                  &gt; to told a another users his/her
                                  meaning is bullshit. for example if i<br>
                                  &gt; want to know how a piece of shit
                                  looks like, a picture of a piece of<br>
                                  &gt; shit ist educational, and if i
                                  want to know something about the<br>
                                  &gt; frontieres of texas, a picture of
                                  a map coult very<br>
                                  &gt; helpfully/educational. if people
                                  naming something not educational,<br>
                                  &gt; they want to say somthing
                                  diffrent. ( note this is my personal
                                  pov!)<br>
                                  &gt; but they vote this way, but
                                  really really often simply mean: "i
                                  hate<br>
                                  &gt; this pic" or "i hate this user"
                                  or "i hate every kind of nudity in the<br>
                                  &gt; commons"<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; in german i often give persons a
                                  longer feedback, in english i spare<br>
                                  &gt; the longer feedback. (you can
                                  read why^^) so i choose a short pro<br>
                                  &gt; vote, applying to the first
                                  contra. and by the way, i am not
                                  addicted<br>
                                  &gt; to big or small boobs - i
                                  couldn't care less!<br>
                                  &gt; if i had choose a longer
                                  explanation for my vote, it would
                                  like:<br>
                                  &gt; "wikipedia needs well draught
                                  anime pictures, with common licences,<br>
                                  &gt; this one is a great animation of
                                  a girl or transsexual in a beautyfull<br>
                                  &gt; landscape". &nbsp;so, thats the reason
                                  i vote with pro.<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; but there was no need for a
                                  argumentaion, when the contra-side
                                  argues<br>
                                  &gt; with "not educational"<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; i hope this will help you, to
                                  understand my diction in the comment.<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; best regards<br>
                                  &gt; le frog du rabbit<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
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                              Bob, thanks for your explanation. It's
                              appreciated.<br>
                              <br>
                              The thing is this: some of us would like
                              to attract more women editors<br>
                              to Wikipedia, so that women have more of a
                              voice, and perhaps also to<br>
                              change the culture of Wikipedia a little.<br>
                              <br>
                              It's arguably not in a woman's interests
                              to hang around on a talk page<br>
                              where people are posting about big tits.
                              It may be in the project's<br>
                              interests to have more women there, but
                              it's hard to see how it could<br>
                              be in the interests of the individual
                              women.<br>
                              <br>
                              It doesn't really matter what the
                              intention is behind the words,<br>
                              because all we see are the words
                              themselves. For some women (not all,<br>
                              but some), these words effectively mean,
                              "The way you see the world is<br>
                              not represented here," or "Go away."<br>
                              <br>
                              That's one of the reasons it's a problem.<br>
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                                Sarah<br>
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