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That's fine with me. If someone feels that objectifying women is
kosher on Commons, I'll be happy to discuss it with them on the
Administrator's noticeboard.<br>
<br>
Ryan Kaldari<br>
<br>
On 5/26/11 11:34 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
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cite="mid:BANLkTimSgu3iSi27JCy_7+TRPe-hs28W+Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">If you start
the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm
noticeboard "on sight" <br clear="all">
</font>_____<br>
<font style="font-family: georgia,serif;" size="2"><i>Béria Lima</i></font><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wikimedia.pt"
target="_blank">Wikimedia Portugal</a><br>
(351) 963 953 042<br>
<br>
<i style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);">Imagine um mundo onde é dada
a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao
somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
fazer.</i><br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org">rkaldari@wikimedia.org</a>></span><br>
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0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Those types of comments
are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a sexualized
environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a
heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please
read through <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment"
target="_blank">http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment</a><br>
<br>
These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you
see them, please delete them or email me. Thanks.<br>
<font color="#888888"> <br>
Ryan Kaldari</font>
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<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 5/23/11 11:48 AM, Nicole Willson wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Comments like that don't make me
run out of commons, but they do get an eye roll from
me at the very least. I don't see why that kind of
comment is necessary.<br>
<br>
The images or comments are not what keep me from
participating in commons, it's not having a clear
sense of whether or not comments like that are the
norm on commons or considered acceptable, as well as
not knowing the best way to respond. I spend most of
my time on a smaller wiki, where I have a better sense
of what the rules are and who to contact within that
community for advice on how to handle that kind of
thing. Since I don't have as good a sense of the
issues on Commons, I usually don't comment. <br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:56
AM, Béria Lima <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:beria.lima@wikimedia.pt"
target="_blank">beria.lima@wikimedia.pt</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt
0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,
204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Sarah<br>
<br>
Speak for yourself. I'm also a woman and i don't
see that "you're not welcome" in his comment,
and also can't see why that particular comment
would in some way made girls run out commons.<br
clear="all">
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<font style="font-family: georgia,serif;"
size="2"><i>Béria Lima</i></font><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wikimedia.pt" target="_blank">Wikimedia
Portugal</a><br>
(351) 963 953 042<br>
<br>
<i style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);">Imagine um
mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a
possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório
de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
estamos a fazer.</i><br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/23 Sarah <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:slimvirgin@gmail.com"
target="_blank">slimvirgin@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:32, Bob
Sponge<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradition@googlemail.com"
target="_blank">metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradition@googlemail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> dear sarah<br>
><br>
> i want to give you a small
feedback about your entries here about
a<br>
> comment i did. (i found this list
with a notice on my userpage in the<br>
> german wikipedia)<br>
><br>
> "Pro i like her big tits :-)
Bunnyfrosch (Diskussion) 22:59, 2
January<br>
> 2011 (UTC)"<br>
><br>
> there were 2 contra votes before,
one argued not educational and<br>
> questioned: "Why manga woman
rhymes with big tits?" the other
replies<br>
> the "not educational" accusation.
both arguments are bullshit in my<br>
> opinion. because all is
educational or nothing, but i am to
obliging<br>
> to told a another users his/her
meaning is bullshit. for example if i<br>
> want to know how a piece of shit
looks like, a picture of a piece of<br>
> shit ist educational, and if i
want to know something about the<br>
> frontieres of texas, a picture of
a map coult very<br>
> helpfully/educational. if people
naming something not educational,<br>
> they want to say somthing
diffrent. ( note this is my personal
pov!)<br>
> but they vote this way, but
really really often simply mean: "i
hate<br>
> this pic" or "i hate this user"
or "i hate every kind of nudity in the<br>
> commons"<br>
><br>
> in german i often give persons a
longer feedback, in english i spare<br>
> the longer feedback. (you can
read why^^) so i choose a short pro<br>
> vote, applying to the first
contra. and by the way, i am not
addicted<br>
> to big or small boobs - i
couldn't care less!<br>
> if i had choose a longer
explanation for my vote, it would
like:<br>
> "wikipedia needs well draught
anime pictures, with common licences,<br>
> this one is a great animation of
a girl or transsexual in a beautyfull<br>
> landscape". so, thats the reason
i vote with pro.<br>
><br>
> but there was no need for a
argumentaion, when the contra-side
argues<br>
> with "not educational"<br>
><br>
> i hope this will help you, to
understand my diction in the comment.<br>
><br>
> best regards<br>
> le frog du rabbit<br>
><br>
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Bob, thanks for your explanation. It's
appreciated.<br>
<br>
The thing is this: some of us would like
to attract more women editors<br>
to Wikipedia, so that women have more of a
voice, and perhaps also to<br>
change the culture of Wikipedia a little.<br>
<br>
It's arguably not in a woman's interests
to hang around on a talk page<br>
where people are posting about big tits.
It may be in the project's<br>
interests to have more women there, but
it's hard to see how it could<br>
be in the interests of the individual
women.<br>
<br>
It doesn't really matter what the
intention is behind the words,<br>
because all we see are the words
themselves. For some women (not all,<br>
but some), these words effectively mean,
"The way you see the world is<br>
not represented here," or "Go away."<br>
<br>
That's one of the reasons it's a problem.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Sarah<br>
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