[Foundation-l] (IRC questions with tempodivalse) Re: A Wikimedia project has forked

[M. Williamson]

Kim, before you mentioned this was just a personality problem, but it seems
to go beyond that. It seems to be a structural problem augmented by
personality problems (I can think of a couple people in particular, not
naming names). The structural problems are clear to everybody but certain
prolific en. Wikinews contributors refuse to recognize that change needs to
be made or the project will just stagnate indefinitely, as it has been for a
long time now.


2011/9/12 Kim Bruning <kim at bruning.xs4all.nl>

> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:58:33PM +0200, Kim Bruning wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 03:50:55PM -0500, Tempodivalse wrote:
> > > Greetings everyone,
> >
> > Heya Tempodivalse,
> >
> > I understand that a lot of this fork is due to personality
> > conflicts, rather than with WMF itself? That's be a bit of a
> > <phew> to know WMF weren't the folks causing the trouble.
> >
>
>
> <Tempodivalse> OK, well, the primary reasons for us forking were that we
> did not like the attitudes that en.wikinews regulars had.
> <Tempodivalse> and that we felt instruction creep had taken over the
> project, bringing excess bureaucracy
> <kim_bruning> was there no way to break off without forking?
> <Tempodivalse> No. I don't want to bash anyone in particular, but the
> remaining admins/crats are generally very wary to any proposed changes
> <Tempodivalse> and tend to regard non-Wikinewsies as people whose opinions
> are to be discounted as uninformed
> <Tempodivalse> A few days ago I pointed out the project had reached
> record-low activity levels and held them for six months - and was shouted
> down
> <Tempodivalse> nobody seemed to realise there was a problem, much less
> address it.
>
> (posted with permission)
>
> sincerely,
>        Kim Bruning
>
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