[Foundation-l] No rights to participate

Virgilio A. P. Machado vam at fct.unl.pt
Wed May 25 05:30:29 UTC 2011


Oh my! That's news for you? Let's see. Just a 
sample from firsthand experiences.

1) From Meta: 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Updated_request_for_assistance

"The work on Meta was being done in an orderly 
manner until the disruption provoked and caused 
by those same people mentioned above. The user is 
the same. Trouble only started after the 
interference of the same people from the 
Portuguese Wikipedia on Meta. Their votes can be 
seen popping up on the RfA. There has never been 
a single block on any other Wikimedia project 
where these editors do not have any influence. 
The obvious conclusion is that the hostile 
behavior stays with that people, not this user."

2) From Wikimedia Outreach: 
http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/The_Outreach_debacle

"Please edit those pages as though they were your 
own wiki. Make yourself at home on the Outreach 
wiki." Wrote Lennart. Wow! I was in awe. This 
project and/or these guys had the right stuff." 
"When I revisited Wikimedia Outreach, my user 
page had been deleted, my own name suppressed 
from my message and replaced by (Redacted)." 
Later, my user page was restored with this quite 
amazing summary: "restoring per request, it 
appears this user intended to out himself, 
removing personal address". It was decided that 
"Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is my personal 
address. Well I regret to have to let you know 
that "Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is not my 
"personal address". It's one of my many mailing 
addresses. "Apartado" is the Portuguese word for 
Post Office or P.O. Box, and I can assure you that I never lived there.

 From the Portuguese Wikipedia: 
http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/The_crusaders_against_education_I

3) 
http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/The_crusaders_against_education_I#Melhoria_de_predefini.C3.A7.C3.A3o

Em engenharia, quando a obra não é executada de 
acordo com o projecto é um caso sério. Na 
Wikipédia chama-se «ajudar». «Em Roma, sê 
Romano.» É assim. Uma pessoa põe o seu «espírito 
criativo» a funcionar, é «ajudada» e pronto, lá 
se foi o que planeou para o «galheiro». Já se 
tinha agradecido, portanto, é tocar para diante e 
esperar por melhores dias ou que o «ajudante» vá 
de férias. Não há nada que um vulgar editor faça 
que um atento administrador, burocrata e membro 
do conselho de arbitragem não possa desfazer. 
Nesta Wikipédia o que não falta são ajudas. Se 
alguém encontrar por aí a definição de «período 
para discutir o mérito da página», agradece-se desde já.

4) 
http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/The_crusaders_against_education_I#O_Emplastro_I

With all the details of the "help" I got to be 
blocked for the first time. Moral of the story: 
I'm currently banned and my "helper" is King on 
the Portuguese Wikipedia, a fine example of a "meritocracy."

Even in these modest examples, if you find 
anything not verifiable, please let me know.

5) "Furthermore, if someone, under the false 
pretenses of helping you can turn things from bad 
to worse for you, they will. That's the name of 
the game here." Another example:

"Instead of complaining, you might like to notice 
how your own attitudes lead to fairly predictable 
results, and a genuine, noticeable and enduring 
change of them changes the results." FT2

"That does not mean that there are not isolated 
cases of injustice. Such users need to patiently 
and persistently bring their situation to the attention of the community." Fred

Could some "consensus" be reached on this matter?

6) Fred Bauder might also be willing to fill you 
with the details of how extremely helpful he has 
been to me. Permission is granted to make public 
all my e-mail messages to him, showing my appreciation for his good deeds.

Any further questions?

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado


At 05:14 25-05-2011, you wrote:
>Oh dear. This just lost a lot of respect (whatever respect is remaining).
>
>So if someone (anyone?) can cause another person problems, they will? I must
>remember that as the default expectation of society, or Wikipedia
>communities at least.
>Documented as being that extreme by reliable sources no less.
>
>Instead of complaining, you might like to notice how your own attitudes lead
>to fairly predictable results, and a genuine, noticeable and enduring change
>of them changes the results.
>
>FT2
>
>
>On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Virgilio A. P. Machado <vam at fct.unl.pt>wrote:
>
> > Furthermore, if someone, under the false pretenses of helping you can
> > turn things from bad to worse for you, they will. That's the name of
> > the game here, as it has been extensively documented on reliable
> > sources, which makes this statement verifiable, as required.
> >




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