[Foundation-l] Wikis and the direction hardware is taking

[Ziko van Dijk]

Hello Birgitte,

Those same worries came up in me when I saw a video about the "Discover" app:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DSBEmkeUzQ

In a contribution to
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kurier/Ausgabe_7_2010
I compared those new apps with the clones around 2005, with the
difference, that the apps are a more serious threat because they look
much better than the original Wikipedia site.
In those apps you don't see the edit button, the donate button nor the
site notice.
Even in Safari, the Apple browser, on an iPhone or iPad you usually
don't see the left side bar with the donate button.

I wonder whether in future we must take more, say, intrusive action to
make people see the donate features...

Kind regards
Ziko



2011/6/10 Steven Walling <steven.walling at gmail.com>:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:16 PM, <Birgitte_sb at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I am getting ready do to a little traveling. It works out that traveling
>> light is going to be my best bet for various reasons. As I don't want to
>> carry around the weight of a laptop; I have purchased a little closer to the
>> cutting edge than I generally do. In setting up my iPad this is what shocked
>> me.  It is near impossible to edit a wiki.  Well that wasn't to worrisome. I
>> figured "there's an app for that". I searched "Wikipedia" and was presented
>> with a large selection of apps that basically hide the fact that the
>> websites are even editable.  They offer helpful things to using the wiki on
>> small screen wrt to TOC and general navigation, but they also strip out all
>> the edit links.  After specifically searching for edit, I found one app that
>> made it possible to edit from iPad without pulling my hair out. [1].
>>
>>  The whole trend is a bit worrisome.  Ever since I got the device I really
>> don't want to use my laptop. I thought I would hate typing anything on it.
>>  But it not bad at all (and I am the sort to make sure and buy laptops with
>> full-size keyboards). People are going use  the free apps so long as WM
>> wikis are hard to navigate natively.  We will never convert readers to
>> editors if they reading with the editing interface stripped away. Do these
>> apps for read-only Wikipedia even support the central-notice? I am not sure.
>> Some seem to completely convert the website to a magazine appearance; some
>> seem more like sleek web-browser.
>>
>> I can't help but think that WMF does't jump in soon with an inexpensive app
>> which solves the difficulties of navigation while preserving the facets of
>> the site that are important to WMF, it will be harder to recover the losses
>> if this trend of hardware takes hold. I imagine an official WMF app would
>> get some sort of preference when searching "wikipedia" in the App Store,
>> which is why I really think the foundation might want to attend to this.
>>
>> BirgitteSB
>>
>
> Birgitte,
>
> You are absolutely correct.
>
> Just as an additional option for Wikipedians who use the iPad, I'd point out
> this little trick that makes it easier to edit from the browser:
> http://blog.tommorris.org/post/5662997343/custom-css-for-wikipedia-on-ipad
>
> There are a whole host of opportunities and risks on mobile for Wikimedia.
> You've clearly been thinking about this, so I think it would be helpful if
> you could add your ideas to the relevant Talk pages on strategy wiki.[1] [2]
> If you could write in detail about your experiences with the iPad that would
> be helpful to the mobile team I'm sure, as a case study in user experience.
>
> I completely share your fears about Wikipedia in an app-centric world. In
> general I'm glad to say that I hear all the time at the Foundation about
> what the mobile team is doing.
>
> This isn't iPad-relevant per se, but they're in the middle of rewriting the
> mobile site and making sure that all mobile browsers actually redirect
> there. Another thing that will make things better is that Kul is hiring a
> person to develop partnerships with mobile businesses. That means that, with
> both app makers and big companies like carriers, we will have more of a
> fighting chance to make our feelings about edit buttons, donations, proper
> licensing attribution, and other issues heard. There are lots more, but if
> you have ideas please share.
>
> Steven
>
> 1. http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Product_Whitepaper
> 2. http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile
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