[Foundation-l] Oral Citations project: People are Knowledge

Wed Jul 27 14:25:34 UTC 2011

Hello all
I usually don't comment on mailing lists but a colleague of mine referred me here. I wanted to comment on the issues related to Native-american research raised earlier by Ms. Stierch. I found her outlook completely isolated from the realities. 
I would rather attribute her naivety to her limited view of the world as a fresh graduate. Personally, it reminds me of a somewhat racist outlook common among predominantly white-american graduates and students. While I agree there is a need for more research related to Native american culture, I really can't agree with the implication that Native american culture is as overlooked as some unknown tribe in New Guinea. 
I should be thankful for her enthusiasm but this is ridiculous. I'm happy for her residency at National museum of American Indian(s) and her thesis or even efforts to change certain policies on Wikipedia, but none of that is connected with the much-larger cultural and race issues she's referring to. While I wish her the best, I would hope she not use her thesis as an excuse to comment on the realities of those cultural issues. Oral citation is just one small aspect of a much larger culture she learnt in school.
I might be too sensitive here, but if her comments were to be applied to african-american culture in the United States coming from a female white-undergraduate student pursuing her masters, her comments on the plight and the issues of an entire race would seem rather patronizing. Perhaps, its just me.
Maria AlamedaM.A, Ph.d (Native American studies)

> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:26:16 +0530
> From: whothith at gmail.com
> To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Oral Citations project: People are Knowledge
> 
> Hi Sarah
> 
> I just love the narcissism in this email. I really want to comment but I
> don't want to be called a troll again......maybe later.
> 
> Much love
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Hi all -
> >
> > I came across a lighter version of this conversation on another Wikimedia
> > list, and felt the need to share my similar thoughts and statements that I
> > made previously.
> >
> > For the past year, I have been examining opportunities involving Indigenous
> > communities of North America and opportunities to utilize Wikipedia and
> > related websites as an affordable, unique and global form of cultural
> > preservation. I have my undergraduate in Native American Studies, and I am
> > obtaining my masters currently. My final paper (not quite a thesis) for
> > graduation will be a strong examination of the opportunities related to
> > Indigenous communities and opportunities/pros/cons related to Wikipedia.
> > I'm
> > actually presenting on my preliminary observations and concerns at
> > Wikimania, you can learn a bit more here:
> >
> >
> > http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Wikimedia_%26_Indigenous_Peoples:_Pros,_Cons_and_Community
> >
> > In the United States, as far as I am aware, I am the only person thinking
> > about this on a higher level. While right now I am quite busy with other
> > matters, come this Fall I will be diving head first into my research. I
> > will
> > be serving as Wikipedian in Residence at the National Museum of the
> > American
> > Indian, where I will be working with staff to examine these concerns.  One
> > of our biggest concerns lies with *oral history*. We have had countless
> > conversations about the struggles with "no original research" however, in
> > oral history based societies, we will have a very hard time moving beyond
> > anything else. As stated previously, the majority of content created
> > related
> > to Indigenous communities in North America was often written by (and still
> > is) Anglo anthropologists - some of that data is highly out of date and is
> > still being utilized on Wikipedia as a source today.
I am not certain what higher level you are referring to but I assure you, you are not the only one thinking about this in the entire country or the continent.
> >
> > This project, Oral Citations, follows closely with the type of work I am
> > seeking to do. I have been planning to examine Wikipedia (English at first)
> > research policies and consider proposals or changes in relation to serious
> > research and Indigenous communities. Of course, it all comes down to
> > funding, and Native people of North American are often the first overlooked
> > group - it will take a lot of work, years of effort, and a lot of buy in
> > that is needed to be gathered from inside the community itself.
> >
> > I'm babbling right now, but, this is a very passionate topic for me. I see
> > Wikipedia as providing an affordable and unique way for Indigenous
> > communities to not only learn valuable skills - many of the communities
> > here
> > in America are among the poorest in the world, you'd think you were in a
> > developing country, and kids barely receive beyond an elementary school
> > education - but to have a broad arena to share stories (that the community
> > chooses to share of course), beliefs, cosmologies, and traditions so that
> > they are accessible and *vetted* for researchers and community members
> > around the world.
> >
> > I do hope that some of you are attending Wikimania, I'd like to be able to
> > have a break out session of sorts or an unconference to discuss this topic
> > further. I'm hoping in the next year to have an international conference of
> > sorts that brings together Indigenous people, open source gurus, and
> > Wiki-folks to examine opportunities, processes, and belief systems in
> > regards to opportunities.
> >
> > Feel free to email me directly, again, right now I am unable to move
> > quickly
> > in any major projects due to my already big work load, but, I'm hoping that
> > this will be large part of my career work as an advocate for Native rights,
> > a scholar, and an open source-lover.
> >
> > -Sarah
> > [[w:en:User:SarahStierch]]
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:32 AM, CasteloBranco <
> > michelcastelobranco at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > And why does the people who speaks Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi need to
> > > write in English in order to have those oral citations published?
> > > English is not as universal as some people think. I guess we need to
> > > find an answer in their own language, so the solution won't be another
> > > barrier. Also, the escope of this project is much more important for the
> > > projects on these languages, and for speakers of these languages, rather
> > > than the English Wikipedia or its readers.
> > >
> > > But that's just me.
> > >
> > > Castelo
> > >
> > >
> > > Em 26/07/2011 16:16, whothis escreveu:
> > > > Looks like an excellent waste of effort.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe the problem of publishing non-publishable oral sources occurred
> > to
> > > > someone on the team. Anyway the english wikipedia seems to be the
> > > > appropriate place for your original research. I can't wait to read all
> > > about
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > I still think a research project in emesis in the global south or
> > > something
> > > > would have suited english wikipedia better but that's just me.
> > > >
> > > > Your fan
> > > >
> > > > Elizabeth
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Achal Prabhala<aprabhala at gmail.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Dear friends,
> > > >>
> > > >> At the beginning of 2011, a group of us began working on a project to
> > > >> explore alternative methods of citation on Wikipedia. We were
> > motivated
> > > >> by the lack of published resources in much of the non-Anglo-European
> > > >> world, and the very real difficulty of citing everyday aspects of
> > lived
> > > >> reality in India and South Africa.
> > > >>
> > > >> We are now at a stage where the project is almost complete, and we'd
> > > >> like to share our work with the broader movement, especially within
> > > >> India and South Africa.
> > > >>
> > > >> There are three languages we worked within: Malayalam, Hindi and
> > Sepedi.
> > > >>
> > > >> The project page documents the process and logistics employed, as well
> > > >> as the findings and results:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Oral_Citations
> > > >>
> > > >> A film made on the project is available here:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:People-are-Knowledge.ogv?withJS=MediaWiki:MwEmbed.js
> > > >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:People-are-Knowledge.ogv
> > > >> or
> > > >> http://vimeo.com/26469276
> > > >>
> > > >> There have been discussions on oral citations for some time now within
> > > >> the language communities we worked with for the duration of the
> > project.
> > > >> At this stage, we are really interested in *your* feedback, either on
> > > >> this list, or on the Discussion section of the project page.
> > > >>
> > > >> There are still some things to come, namely:
> > > >>
> > > >> - Updates on events, meetings and discussions held around the project
> > > >> (as they happen)
> > > >> - Updates on articles created in Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi as a
> > result
> > > >> of the project (as they happen)
> > > >> - English transcripts of the interviews and a full English subtitle
> > > track
> > > >> for further translation (we could use some help here).
> > > >>
> > > >> We would be very grateful to hear your feedback, and begin a broader
> > > >> discussion.
> > > >>
> > > >> Best wishes,
> > > >> Achal
> > > >>
> > > >>
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