[Foundation-l] They do make or break reputations

[Thomas Morton]

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> Again you are referring to the hosting or presentation of non-free content
> and I am not.
> I am not referring to the DISPLAY of videos within Wikipedia.
> Only the LINKING of videos from Wikipedia.
>

No, I realise that is what you are referring to - and I don't honestly see
any huge value to linking to such material. For example; in the case of a
music single article, if the user was looking for a video of the content
they would have gone to Youtube, that is the recognised place to go. If they
were looking for background info they come to Wikipedia.

I see the minor value of linking out to Youtube to enhance reader experience
in a small way; but balanced against our view of free content I feel that
value is cancelled out.


> 99.9999% of Youtube videos have no licensing information at all so there is
> no way to tell if they are being uploaded by the copyright holder.
> The Wikipedian copyright police take a worst-case position and disallow all
> such linking.
>
> Not at all; in many cases it is obvious (or taken on good faith). In other
cases Youtube is set up in such a way as to identify official accounts.

Often it is 100% clear the content is not free or used properly.

The critical issue is value; if non-free content adds substantial value then
I 100% support the idea of linking or displaying it. This is the core of the
current en.wiki non-free content policy.

But in many cases that value is "meh" and encouraging such linking is a
significant step backwards.

I've also been quite happy taking the long view. In the ideal world we could
place the music video directly in the relevant article - as it is copyright
prohibits that. In not all that many years (although after we are gone,
certainly) the video can be placed in the article.

So I see no issue :) right now you can see it on Youtube, with dubious
licensing. The next few generations will be able to see what their
grandparents were watching/listening to on Wikipedia.  :)

By the way Thomas this thread is for suggesting ways to move forward.
>
>
I'm not sure what you mean there exactly... that my view is the current
standard and therefore irrelevant to moving forward?

Pfft. :)

Tom