[Foundation-l] Privacy concerns

[Béria Lima]

I would personally recomend you people to send your questions to
RonaldB<http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:RonaldB>(the
*one and only* person who receive those datas)

I'm not dutch, but that system is in place since Jully
2007<http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sokpop&diff=next&oldid=8590452>,
and Huib is the first one to complain about it - a 4 years working system
with only 1 complain seems to be just fine to me.
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2011/7/10 Thomas Morton <morton.thomas em googlemail.com>

> > Seem to work though.
>
> Does it? Where is the evidence for this? I'm not being hasty in forming a
> firm judgement here - other than to say it doesn't, on the face of it, seem
> like a good idea for a project to be doing this.
>
> > And if the details of the handling of private data is well outlined and
> confined it could be a good thing to have.
>
> Indeed, if. But again, no word or evidence of such things so far.
>
> I do think this is a serious problem that needs investigating:
>
> - The argument that this is essentially an optional function is not really
> appealing, and is easily said by those who are not blocked. Saying "if you
> want to edit send a stranger your identity" does not sit comfortably with
> me. (this is just my personal view, but I include it for completeness)
>
> - Saying this is disconnected from Wikipedia/the Foundation is a red
> herring
> - it is organised via the website, so for any user utilising this service
> it
> looks to some extent "official". The Foundation have a reasonable duty of
> care to its users and at this point they are not able to properly audit or
> oversight the handling of personal details.
>
> - The whole idea is a "false flag" anyway because identity is beyond
> trivial
> to fake. So, it is not about identity, but about some slightly high barrier
> of action for an individual to take - the idea being it filters out the
> more
> casual bad guys. In which case; a more suitable alternative to identity
> could be used. Perhaps a hand written letter asking for an unblock? That
> seems  much better system.
>
> - EU data protection laws *explicitly* apply to the handling of personal
> data by private individuals. And as an enabling medium Dutch Wikipedia
> could
> easily also be considered a controller within the scope of the law (they
> are
> intentionally very broad). This means if the data does end up being misused
> then it will be a major blow; hence it seems sensible to require some
> investigation of this process.
> -- As an addendum to that the process described on the Dutch Wikipedia at
> the very least need to comply with EU directives. For example the person
> processing the data must reveal his name and address (I realise that is
> likely to happen, but I see no clarity on the matter and no oversight to
> ensure this occurs) and the details of *precisely* what will be done with
> the data need to be published (and kept to)
> -- We need to establish (prefferably with a lawyer) to what extent this
> process is considered necessary or relevant; because if it is one or
> neither
> then it is non-compliant.
>
> There is also an extended risk here; something simple like an admin
> unblocks
> the account of "Bram van Rijn" and, when unblocking him, says "There you go
> Bram, enjoy editing!". Something simple and innocent is now non-compliant.
>
> For that reason people handling  identity in a capacity relating to
> Wikipedia, even semi-officially, need to be well vetted.
>
> I have argued this before several times in relation to other such things on
> English Wikipedia, and I realise my view may be stronger than the
> majorities. But in this case it appears not even a cursory check is being
> undertaken.
>
> Tom
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