[Foundation-l] Ban and moderate

[Lodewijk]

I support the list admins in making this assessment. I dont think it is very
productive to then discuss every assessment on this list. So if we agree
that moderation might be necessary under certain circumstances, if we agree
what circumstances those are and who should be the list admins (or at least
there are no major objections of >33% of the members of this list), then I
suggest we leave it with that.

These circumstances have been discussed several times on this list, but if
you need to discuss something, please stick to those abstract circumstances,
and dont go into specific cases. I think that might actually carry some
value for the future.

Best,

Lodewijk

2010/10/22 Muhammad Yahia <shipmaster at gmail.com>

> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:54 AM, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 22 October 2010 08:19, Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod at mccme.ru> wrote:
> >
> > > If you are counting votes, please count mine for moderation.
> >
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Seriously, this list is commonly referred to as "troll-l" and lots of
> > chapter people refuse to even look at it. Pulling it out of the mire
> > might make it even slightly useful again.
> >
> >
> >
> +1 from me too.
>
> I would also like to add that labeling someone a troll doesn't necessarily
> mean that he doesn't provide good criticism, it's just that he presents it
> in the most time consuming and destructive way possible. I am personally
> interested in some of the criticism Kohs put forward, but I am against his
> tactics.
>
> We had a troll on ar.wp who was pretty similar in tactics, it took months
> of
> debate about freedom and censorship etc. and a few good editors actually
> quitting before we banned him. And it took a few more months of
> sock-puppeting for him to actually give up, and looking back at this
> humongous waste of the time for all parties involved, I wonder if the
> couple
> of points he was making were even worth it, we do have people who are
> capable of presenting criticism in a civil manner, so it's not about
> 'opinion'. I believe WP:POINT and WP:GAME should apply to any medium we are
> trying to constructively work together.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Muhammad Yahia
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