[Foundation-l] Boycott in ace at wiki

Mark Williamson node.ue at gmail.com
Sat Jul 17 21:13:40 UTC 2010


"Wiki-list", the huge glaring difference is that the goatse.cx image
is a pornographic image and we were unable to identify the subject of
it, which raises potential privacy concerns. Please don't accuse me of
hypocrisy as I am personally in favor of including that image in that
article.




On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 11:01 AM,  <wiki-list at phizz.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Excirial wrote:
>> *There is no general Christian prohibition on depicting Christ. In fact it
>> is a generally accepted practice. Generally Muslims don't, and consider it a
>> mark of disrespect to do so. Why offend?*
>>
>> 1) It is a historically important subject which should be covered in an
>> encyclopedia.
>
>
> By all means do so. But there is no reason to include the image. Others
> managed to convey the controversy without doing so. In addition being a
> web page you have the option to provide a link to the image rather than
> embedding it. Its not as if the wikipage actually needs the image at all.
>
>
>> 2) We do not cater to the wishes and desires of any group, no exception. If
>> we cater one, we have to cater a second, then a third and so on and on.
>> 3) Anyone who does not wish to see the images can block them - its a
>> personal choice on whether you do or don't want to see. If there is a
>> problem with their mere existence there is nothing we can do - we can't
>> erase them from history.
>
>
> Do you have some special browser button that enables blocking of
> selected images before visiting a page? Or are you advocating the global
> blocking of all images?
>
>
>> 4) The images may offend millions, but that still leaves billions who aren't
>> offended by them. I would argue that the knowledge needs of the larger group
>> outweigh the issues of the smaller group - especially since we are not
>> forcing anything on the small group. As said in point 3: Images are on
>> specific pages, and even those are accessible since images can be blocked.
>
>
> So why isn't goatse.cx embedded on the shock site page. Gerrard says
> that its because there might be copyright issues but that hasn't been a
> problem in cases of the Mohammed images that the ace group are
> complaining about:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jyllands-Posten-pg3-article-in-Sept-30-2005-edition-of-KulturWeekend-entitled-Muhammeds-ansigt.png
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day.jpg
>
> using those images has been declared fair-use. Even The Piss Christ
> images is similarly 'fair-used'
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Piss_Christ_by_Serrano_Andres_%281987%29.jpg
>
> So I think I'm going to call you on being totally hypocritical on the
> issue of "the knowledge needs of the larger group outweigh the issues of
> the smaller group", because it is quite simply untrue.
>
>
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