[Foundation-l] Boycott in ace at wiki

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
First of all, the problem is with this template being on the main page.
There is room for people to be of the opinion that insults to Muslims or
Islam is not acceptable. I agree with them on this however I do not agree
with them what they protest against. If they make their opinions known on
their profile pages, I do not consider that there is a problem.

It is also neither their call nor your call if the Acehenese Wikipedia is to
be closed. When a majority of the ace community are of this opinion they
have the options to leave, not to show pictures that depict Mohammed, fork
the project and continue localise MediaWiki for the Acehnese language. They
can not force a closure of the ace.wikipedia nor can they prevent people
from editing it.

As to querying my position with regards to the NPOV, that is first of all
beside the point and secondly it can easily be considered a personal attack.
I care about the values of our community and I care about this particular
policy. Apparent violation of the NPOV is however no excuse for knee jerk
reactions. It is no excuse for refusing to converse about such issues. Such
a refusal is how you make enemies out of people who are the closest we have
to friends in societies that are foreign to us.
Thanks,
      GerardM

On 16 July 2010 16:48, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 16 July 2010 14:44, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The Acehnese Wikipedia is a young project. They are entitled to their
> > mistakes. It is for this reason important that we first talk with them
> about
> > what it is that they do. We should not start talking TO them about what
> they
> > are to do.
> > The current talking TO them is not polite and will not lead to positive
> > results. It is similar as if I were to say to the English language
> community
> > that they have to change their way because their community consensus is
> > incompatible with WMF official board sanctioned policies.
>
>
> All of this is quite true. Discuss, don't tell.
>
> However: so far it hasn't even gotten to "talking to". It's just been
> noting that this is a blatant violation of NPOV and is highly
> problematic.
>
> And ultimately, NPOV is non-negotiable if the current contributors to
> ace:wp want it to stay a Wikimedia project.
>
> Do you have a problem with even noting this? Do you dispute this?
>
>
> - d.
>
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