[Foundation-l] a heads-up on Wikimedia France's adventures with the French cultural authorities

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
The world is not so simple. When we accept material from a GLAM in a low
resolution, we should be happy with what we get. When a GLAM considers this
an acceptance that this material is copyrightable they are wrong. When we
accept material we get it with annotations, we get it with all the aspects
that make this material worthwhile.

Our Commons material is useless if it was not for our categories, the
annotations of the material that we store. This is in my opinion the most
important part of the picture because this is what gives our material
relevance and makes it possible to find it. This is at the same time the
biggest problem of Commons. You can only find things when you know your
English.
Thanks,
     GerardM

2009/9/25 Teofilo <teofilowiki at gmail.com>

> David Monniaux said : "release lower resolution pictures under free
> license, keep high resolution pictures (those suitable for art books,
> posters and so on) proprietary."
>
> I disagree. I think the priority is to have the full resolution
> pictures of Public Domain works. Because this is what the French
> copyright law is saying. There is no need to negociate anything. There
> is no need to change a single word from the current French copyright
> law. Simply have the French government's cultural institutions
> (museums, archives) recognize that they have been wrong until now, by
> adding copyright notices on Public Domain works (in France:
> non-poshumous works whose authors have been dead for more than 70
> years).
>
> If someone has another opportunity to write an article in Libération
> or elsewhere, please denounce the copyright notices added by the Musée
> d'Orsay on a picture like the photograph of Louis Blanc by
> photographer Etienne Carjat who died in 1906 (1).
>
> Please denounce the copyright notice added by Musée Carnavalet on a
> bidimensional work like the Declaration of Human Rights by Le Barbier
> (who died in 1826) (2). And don't tell me that a school teacher can
> use this work at school with a 400x400 px size, like what is available
> to them through the new agreement signed between the French ministry
> of Education and authors' representative bodies (3). A teacher needs
> to show his pupils every details on the picture.
>
> Negociating small size pictures could be only a lower level priority
> concerning truely copyrighted works when the artists are still alive
> and need money to buy their bread.
>
> (1) ©photo musée d'Orsay / rmn on
>
> http://www.musee-orsay.fr/en/collections/index-of-works/notice.html?no_cache=1&zoom=1&tx_damzoom_pi1%5Bzoom%5D=0&tx_damzoom_pi1%5BxmlId%5D=064037&tx_damzoom_pi1%5Bback%5D=%2Fen%2Fcollections%2Findex-of-works%2Fnotice.html%3Fno_cache%3D1%26nnumid%3D064037%26cHash%3D73f82dabb3
>
> (2)  © musée Carnavalet, © direction des musées de France, 2008 Droits
> photo © musée Carnavalet / Roger-Viollet  on
>
> http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/joconde_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_1=REF&VALUE_1=11040000384
>
> (3) http://www.education.gouv.fr/cid48874/menj0900756x.html
>
> 2009/9/22, Yann Forget <yann at forget-me.net>:
> > Hello, I think this is worth a larger audience. Yann
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [Commons-l] a heads-up on Wikimedia France's adventures with
> > the French cultural authorities
> > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:51:12 +0200
> > From: David Monniaux <David . Monniaux @ free . fr>
> > To: commons-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> > > [...]
> > I proposed a way out: release lower resolution pictures under free
> > license, keep high resolution pictures (those suitable for art books,
> > posters and so on) proprietary. The suggestion has been retained by the
> > commission - even though they still seem to toy with this idea of
> > "negotiation".
>
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