[Foundation-l] "antisocial production" & pt:wiki policies
steven.walling at gmail.com
Tue Jun 30 02:10:43 UTC 2009
1. You're wrong. Just today I myself received some kind words offlist, but
related to a thread. Just because you're not getting the air of friendliness
you desire (at this moment anyway), doesn't mean friendliness doesn't exist.
2. It's a mailing list for discussion and debate, not an outlet for personal
validation. If you don't like being debated and disagreed with, then don't
post your opinions on something. I personally find asking questions rather
than making statements tends to garner a gentler response, if you're in need
3. All mailing lists are at times more hostile than any real life
conversation. It's far from unique to Wikimedia lists, and I've seen
*far*more angry flame wars on other mailing lists. If it's a problem
medium of mailing lists and not of Wikimedian culture, then there's nothing
we could change about our culture that would make a mailing list more
friendly. I for one see us as already going out of our way to try and be a
culture that welcomes open discussion free of insulting behavior.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> The most significant problem, Virgilio, is that there isn't too much people
> on this list can do. Unless and until problems become so clear that steward
> or Foundation action are obviously called for, there is unlikely to be much
> concrete action at all. Since we can't impose a solution to the problems
> you've identified from afar, and most of us can neither verify these
> problems nor participate in fixing them without speaking the language...
> What else should we do?
> You're right, though, that exchanges on this list aren't always very
> friendly. Maybe because very few discussions are actually productive, and
> outside of cooperative effort most friendly exchanges are more likely to be
> taken off-list.
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