[Foundation-l] Why don't we re-encode proprietary formats as Ogg?

[Brian]

Yes, but you also said:
"The one thing I would say is that gettin unencumbered
material that was only encumbered by the encoding it was
being carried by to formats that are free, is a net plus, no
matter if it meant we were also carrying the encumbered
format version."

I'm quite sure that the net sum of what you've said and i've said is equal.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <cimonavaro at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> > How is that different from:
> > "[...] if there is content that is *only* encumbered by the encoding, we
> > should embrace [...]"
> >
> >
> You forgot the bit about liberating it.
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <
> cimonavaro at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Brian wrote:
> >>
> >>> Pretty sure we are saying the same thing - what part of my comment
> struck
> >>> the wrong chord with you?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I think it is the " we should accept free content in any format."
> >> bit. ;-)
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <
> >>>
> >> cimonavaro at gmail.com
> >>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> Brian wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I hold the same sort of pragmatic view. In the absence of freely
> >>>>>
> >> licensed
> >>
> >>>>> content encoded in a free format we should accept free content in any
> >>>>> format. I think it would take a revolution within the Foundation
> staff
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> the most vocal parts of the community (note that I did not say
> >>>>>
> >> majority),
> >>
> >>>>> though.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> I think this is the exact opposite of what I wished to convey.
> >>>>
> >>>> I do not hold we should accept non-free content. I don't hold
> >>>> that view. Period.
> >>>>
> >>>> But if there is content that is *only* encumbered by the
> >>>> encoding, we should embrace and liberate it from those
> >>>> bonds.
> >>>>
> >>>> That is all.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> It seems like a lot less work to solve the recoding
> >>>>> problem, and anyway, there is a lot of content that has yet to be
> >>>>> produced to worry about. Sticking to the ideals no matter what will
> >>>>> help more of that free content in free formats be produced in the
> >>>>> future when there are more people around to do the
> >>>>> creating.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> cimonavaro at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tim Starling wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Some people in the community take the view that supporting
> >>>>>>>
> >> proprietary
> >>
> >>>>>>> standards, as an option alongside free standards, weakens the
> ability
> >>>>>>> of the free standards to compete for mindshare and client support,
> >>>>>>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>>>>> thus that it shouldn't be done. We would have to have that
> >>>>>>>
> >> discussion,
> >>
> >>>>>>> and possibly a vote on the issue, before deployment of any software
> >>>>>>> solution. But the software should come first, at the very least it
> >>>>>>> will be useful to support alternate free formats such as Dirac,
> Speex
> >>>>>>> and FLAC.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't know who "Some people in the community" are,
> >>>>>> but just in case they are anything like myself, who does
> >>>>>> hold a view not entirely distant from the one you describe...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The one thing I would say is that gettin unencumbered
> >>>>>> material that was only encumbered by the encoding it was
> >>>>>> being carried by to formats that are free, is a net plus, no
> >>>>>> matter if it meant we were also carrying the encumbered
> >>>>>> format version.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yours in deep amity;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
> >>>>>>
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