[Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?

[Brian]

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Benjamin Lees <emufarmers at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Brian <Brian.Mingus at colorado.edu> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, where I said AbuseFilter I meant to say FlaggedRevisions. I'm not
> > sure on how AbuseFilter came to be agreed on.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Brian <Brian.Mingus at colorado.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jennifer Riggs <jriggs at wikimedia.org
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I'm curious. In your perspective who is doing the central management
> > >> that makes it difficult for ideas to percolate up? WMF, Jimmy, Board,
> > >> select administrators/highly involved community members? In your
> > >> opinion, is there an infrastructure barrier or a personalities one?
> > >>
> > >> jriggs
> > >>
> > >
> > > It's an infrastructure, policy and outreach issue. I assume that every
> > > single person has the very best for the projects in mind and is doing
> it
> > for
> > > the right reasons.
> > >
> > > That said, I see the definition of community being interpreted very
> > > narrowly. I liked what I saw with AbuseFilter but that was a singular
> > case.
> > > Filtering edits is almost on the same level as showing advertisements.
> In
> > > these rare cases any change you try to make will quickly make its way
> > > through the community because many people will be outraged. There are a
> > lot
> > > of other situations that don't propagate as well, not because they
> aren't
> > > very important, but because people just don't know about them.
> > >
> > > I really like the ParserFunctions example. Enabled with hardly any
> > > discussion and now used 500,000 times on the English Wikipedia. It had
> a
> > > major effect on Wikipedia that made it much harder to use. And now we
> are
> > > stuck in a programming mindset and we all assume that we all agreed to
> > come
> > > here. It just isn't the case. You won't be able to find where that
> > agreement
> > > happened.
> > >
> > >
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> On which wiki do you mean, for FlaggedRevs?  For the English Wikipedia, my
> understanding is that consensus was reached in favor of a limited trial for
> FlaggedRevs three months ago, but it hasn't been enabled yet because the
> tech team is still tidying things up and checking that everything works <
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-May/043187.html>.
> This
> was not a matter of the Foundation consulting the community—the community
> petitioned the Foundation, from what I can tell.
>

i didn't know it happened that way. I thought that, quite some time ago, the
Foundation paid a developer 20k to develop the extension, and then got
community approval for at trial?