[Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

[Brian]

To be clear, I still consider the process to be broken, and I think it would
help if there were more transparency there. More transparency means features
do not get implemented just because someone with the keys thinks its a good
idea, but because they spec'd the feature out formally and there was no
doubt in anyones mind that they had given due process to finding consensus.
I did not come to this thread attacking anyone, but rather a process. That
certain people felt attacked is unfortunate - they have missed my point.

I am willing to put in some work though. What I plan to do is show the grant
usability team (and mediawiki-l list) what editing Wikipedia articles might
look like with SMW+SF. I haven't been able to find an adequate demo of this.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Brion Vibber <brion at wikimedia.org> wrote:

> On 1/15/09 11:19 AM, Brian wrote:
> > Chad,
> >
> > What more would you like me to do, specifically?
>
> The first things that would help would be:
>
> 1) Stop looking to blame someone for past wrongs
> 2) Think of something that *would* actually help, and do that
>
> When a discussion starts in a negative direction, and continues on and
> on and on in that direction, it ends up alienating the people you would
> need to be working with to accomplish your goal -- it all ends up
> sidetracked as a big ad-hominem debate about who's a bigger jerk and
> nothing actually productive gets done.
>
>
> If you'd like to push for more active evaluation of SMW and introduction
> of either SMW or a refactored, slimmed down data storage/query system to
> testing and production use, I think that's great!
>
> We've been looking at it for years and hoping we'd have a chance to poke
> at it some day; it's the beginning of a new year, projects are starting
> up, and this is a time that we're setting priorities.
>
>
> But it would probably be better to focus on positives like thinking
> about what can be accomplished and getting interested parties excited
> about working together than to repeat over and over that you believe a
> past decision was wrong -- even if you're absolutely sure that it was.
>
> -- brion
>
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