[Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en] <warning: contains rant>

[Marc Riddell]

> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Marc Riddell
> <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I have been trying for over two years to bring this issue to the serious
>> attention of the "powers that be" in the English Wikipedia. My messages are
>> met either with a "there he goes again" attitude, or are not acknowledged at
>> all. Where does one go from there if not the Foundation itself?

on 2/5/09 10:45 AM, Andrew Whitworth at wknight8111 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> The foundation is not likely to be able to do anything, even if it is
> willing (which I doubt). It makes some sense to treat them as the
> authority figure of last resort, but that isn't reality.

A sad state of affairs.
> 
> If a project so large in size and scope as English Wikipedia is having
> these problems with hostility and incivility, you're maybe seeing a
> manifestation of problems in human nature itself. See [[w:Dubar's
> Number]] for more information about large groups like this. If you
> can't fix the problem from within English Wikipedia, then the problems
> are likely to be unfixable.
> 
Andrew, it is not the size of the group that is the issue, but how that
group is managed. And there is a huge cultural difference between "control"
and "management". It all rests with the skillful leadership of that group.
It is my professional business to know such things.

Marc