[Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs on Hungarian Wikipedia still not working

[Birgitte SB]

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Tisza Gergő <gtisza at gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> 
> Letting the time of the most active community members go to
> waste like
> this is not only very discouraging them, and not only does
> it
> undermine their trust in the revision flagging system
> (which proved to
> be a very valuable anti-vandalism tool, but it was always
> hard to get
> enough people involved), it also creates a rift between WMF
> and the
> local community. People perceive that the foundation does
> not respect
> their volunteer work at all, and it is only quick when it
> is creating
> problems (their previous contact with WMF was when someone
> shot down
> the statistics script that ran with community consensus,
> without as
> much as a question or comment), and not when it should be
> solving
> them.
> 
> If you want to broaden participation and involve more
> people into
> meta-projects, start with actually caring about issues like
> these. And
> now please, please find someone to finally fix bug 19885.

I hope someone is able to shortly fix this issue for you.

However I think you have a mistaken idea about WMF. The reason people are wanted to join meta-projects is to ensure that their local wikis issues are understood. The meta-projects *are* hu.WP's projects, not competition for hu.WP. If you, or someone like you, is not part of foundation discussions to both speak up about hu.WP concerns and also to better inform hu.WP discussions about larger issues and trends, then how can hu.WP be properly cared for? Certainly everyone here wishes success for hu.WP and that her volunteers are active and happy.  But for the most part, people here are not some abstract "WMF-people" who have neglected hu.WP.  We are en.WS people or fr.WP people or de.WP people. 

I originally joined this list much like you did. Rather upset at what felt was attacks on en.WS's sincere efforts to do the right thing and general lack of help for us. These "WMF-people" had been talking about en.WS and saying we would have to delete the UK Hunting Act. I came here hoping to convince these people to actually help us: tell us exactly what copyright allows (very naive I know) rather than just dictating that our stuff be deleted without clarification.  But I discovered that these "WMF-people" were no more than people just like me.  Passionate people who found their way here with their feet still firmly planted in their own particular interests. They meant no harm to en.WS, but en.WS didn't rate very high in their concerns either.  I quickly realized that someone from en.WS better keep on top of things here, before our interests got inadvertently squashed by someones pet issue.  Or we merely got forgotten.  

So I understand how you might be hoping for for solutions and answers to be found here. I certainly did, but I learned it was a mistake to think there was such authority here. You will find opinions and ideas here. Sometimes you may find needed attention. (I hope this is the case today!) But the only real answer for solving hu.WP issues is to see that hu.WP is in WMF.  hu.WP people must be in WMF people. hu.WP developers must be in WMF developers. hu.WP projects must be in WMF projects.  Then hu.WP will find real answers and solutions.  Or at least, they will find answers and solutions as well as anyone does.

Birgitte SB