[Foundation-l] Principle and pragmatism with nudity and sexual content

Samuel Klein meta.sj at gmail.com
Mon Apr 20 23:26:09 UTC 2009

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/4/20 Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb at yahoo.com>:
>> I second this. Does anyone really believe it is even possible to set one standard of what it means to be 'collegial' and 'collaborative' for all cultures? These things are not absolute values and each community needs to work out what standards are most pragmatic for it's members.

Well, we do have a few universal values shared across projects --
including those which were made concrete when community members hashed
out the foundation mission and vision statements.  But it's not clear
in which community it is appropriate to discuss those... [certainly
many people are now expected to abide by the global standards set
forth in the language of those statements who were active editors a
few years ago and did not take part in the discussions about how to
word them]

> There is no shortcut or appeal to authority that can solve this for en.WP.  en.WP has to do the work and find these answers from within.

I didn't quite read PM's mail as an appeal to authority -- more as an
appeal to "make more concrete decisions", by someone who is used to
such decisions coming down from on high.  It is hard to be Bold and
'find answers from within' when that's not how you are used to

David Gerard quoth:
> It has - PM doesn't like the answer and wants the Foundation to impose
> his preferred one. How many times has he brought this up?

David, that's unfair, and not what privatemusings said here at all.
Please don't hold past discussions against valid points brought up


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