[Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

[Ting Chen]

I doubt that foundation-l is the right place for a community to carry 
out their conflict. We have here no possibility and no legitimation to 
make any decision in favor for or against one of the conflicting party.

The best way a community should resolve such problems is to talk with 
each other, to meet with each other as already proposed. If the 
community is really not able to settle the conflict, it could consider 
to call for one or more mediators that are considered by all parties as 
neutral to try to resolve the problem. But I don't think that 
foundation-l can be such a place for mediation.

Ting

Nathan wrote:
> The last few posts are discussing the operation of ChapCom, and the
> relationship generally between chapters and the WMF. Valuable discussions
> (although, in a sense, separate) but seemingly not what the initial e-mails
> were requesting.
>
> The question is, if the characterization of the Wikimedia Brasil is accurate
> (i.e. comprised mainly of non-editors, hostile to editors, authoritarian to
> the extent of banning discussion of chapter composition and goals, etc.)
> what can be done? The answer may be nothing at all, and its possible (in
> light if Jimmy's email) that there is a misunderstanding at the source of
> this problem.
>
> Whether something can be done from afar or not... Beria, Luiz and Porantim
> are entitled to have the discussion focus at least initially on the specific
> problem they point out. I suspect that there is very little that can be done
> - the Foundation, and ChapCom, have almost no control over the operations of
> any chapter. Even withdrawing permission to use the Wikimedia-related
> intellectual property (without prejudging the need for that in this case, of
> course) would need to be backed up in court in Brasil if a chapter refused
> to comply.
>
> Luiz, have there been any responses from members of WM-Brasil indicating
> their desire to engage on this list (or on any list, I suppose) on this
> dispute? If they join the discussion on Foundation-l, perhaps the mediation
> of Florence or Jimmy (or Michael or Andrew) could help you come to an
> understanding.
>
> Nathan
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