[Foundation-l] Community Assembly

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Seperation of power does not help the different projects into contact. As it
is, the projects are all autonomous. So the problem is not in separation of
power, quite the contrary, projects have to give some of their power to this
new body.

In any body that will come to exist be it an assembly or council, it will be
power that once was in a project that will make the new project work. There
is however no way an assembly / council should be handed this power on a
platter; they should earn it. So when it is only a talking shop, it will not
accomplish much.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Would a separation of powers restriction satisfy your concerns?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:16:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Community Assembly
>
> Hoi,
> Given that there are some 700 communities to start with, I do not think
> that
> there is much awareness of the community that is the whole of all our
> communities. When you add to this the issue with communication, these 700
> projects represent over 250 languages, I think I am polite when I suggest
> that there is a lot of  communal intelligence to be developped.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Just because a body is large does not mean that decisions will be bad.
> Are
> > you saying that the community is too stupid to govern itself?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Jesse Plamondon-Willard <pathoschild at gmail.com>
> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:07:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Community Assembly
> >
> > Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > If it would make you happier, the consensus provision can be changed
> > to a 60% majority.
> >
> > We can rarely achieve a 60% majority consensus for most issues on this
> > list, and its membership is smaller than that of an all-inclusive
> > assembly. Depending on voting also makes numerical superiority more
> > important than meaningful debate, so that a cultural or
> > special-interest minority (likely including en-Wikipedia) would
> > dominate the community through the assembly using numerical
> > superiority. Reaching many bad decisions due to poor representation is
> > worse than reaching few good decisions.
> >
> > --
> > Yours cordially,
> > Jesse Plamondon-Willard (Pathoschild)
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