[Foundation-l] Dealing with interwiki disruption

[White Cat]

Maybe a foundation committee to cut through the bureaucracy when necesary...
I do not think this is a task for stewards.

  -- White Cat

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hoi,
> Please consider that Milos is just one voice among many that feel a need
> for
> a council that deals with the issues that are currently not getting the
> attention that they  deserve. When some want an Arbcomm that override that
> deals with cases that deal with individuals, others see a global arbcomm as
> a body that ensures some harmonisation between the different projects. When
> NPOV is no longer considered to be exactly that, how do we deal with this.
> Do we want the board, the organisation to step in or will the projects deal
> with such issues themselves ??
>
> It is exactly because there is no vision what a council will be doing, that
> it was proposed to trash out a proposal first. This still needs doing and
> only then it will become relevant to support or oppose parts of what is
> proposed or all that is proposed. In my opinion, what the council will in
> reality do will be different from what we expect at this stage.
> Thanks,
>     GerardM
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > IIRC, Milos, you would love to have the proposed Volunteer Council to
> > have the role of SuperHyperArbcom. Then I think I have a good reason
> > to oppose strongly your idea.
> >
> > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Milos Rancic <millosh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am not talking about short-term blocks, I am talking about 6 months+
> > blocks.
> > > Also, I am not talking about this as a mandatory solution, but as an
> > opt-in
> > > solution. (Note that en.wp is not my home project, too.)
> >
> > > There are a couple of good reasons for that:
> > >
> > > - en.wp ArbCom has its own rules and I am sure that it isn't making
> > mistakes
> > > about long term blocks.
> > >
> > > - Long term blocks are reserved for very disruptive users. I really
> don't
> > > think that someone who was so disruptive at en.wp -- would be more
> > > constructive at some other project.
> >
> >
> > I and Ray referred to the same person who was so trusted as to be
> > promoted to sysop (and even b'crat) but once permanently blocked from
> > English Wikipedia Arbcom?
> >
> > And re: English Wikiquote I sure she was, is and hopefully will be one
> > of the best editors we've ever had.
> >
> > > - Small projects (not those maintained by stewards, but those which
> have
> > a
> > > community) usually suffer heavily by users already proved as disruptive
> > at
> > > en.wp. (This is especially true for non-English projects.) Usually, the
> > same
> > > user will be blocked at other wiki, but in a very painful process for
> > that
> > > community.
> > >
> > > - If Meta ArbCom becomes reality, I think that it should process all
> > longer
> > > blocks made by any other ArbCom and conclude are the reasons good
> enough
> > for
> > > long time block (which means that such user should get Wikimedia-wide
> > block)
> > > or a local ArbCom should consider decision once again.
> > >
> > > - It is also possible option that en.wp ArbCom gives a suggestion for
> > longer
> > > blocks: are they strictly en.wp related or a user is a threat to all WM
> > > projects.
> > >
> > > With some discussion about this issue, I am sure that we would be able
> to
> > find
> > > a way how to deal better and faster with disruptive users.
> > >
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